From: Stacey
I'm a huge Beatles fan!! And actually, I like the Joe Cocker version too. It's one of the extrememly few Beatles covers I've ever heard that I thought to myself "Wow, that was good." :) You know, my best friend's favourite girl name is Juliana and her middle name in Michelle...that's not you is it, Amanda? ;) :p
From: Julianna Michelle
No Mike didn't write "What am i doin' Hanging Round?" Michael Martin Murphey and Owen Castleman wrote it (Lewis and Clarke). These guys' bass player was John London. He played on a few of the Monkees tunes and then joined Michael's First National Band in the early 70's. However, Michael did choose this song himself. Good choice, Nez! I've seen Michael Martin Murphey in concert and he's great. I love his song "Wild Fire"; does anybody know it? I love the song "Of You" which Mike sings but he didn't write it...darn. And "Listen to the Band" is just so Majestic! Especially on "33 & 1/3", Mike really gets into it, not to mention it's the BEST part and one of the only few good parts in the whole movie!
From: gv
Why should it matter if I compared the Monkees to the Teletubbies?--because I was comparing the TV CHARACTER Monkees to the TeleTubbies, not the real life Monkees to the Teletubbies. Besides, I've never seen a whole episode of the TeleTubbies. And I told you I have a way different interpretation of who the TeleMonkees are than the rest of you. (No, it's not slash.)
From: Brad Waddell
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 12:26:28 AM
Remote Name: 148.74.246.10
Welcome to the discussion at Monkees.Net! This is the second attempt to create a discussion group here, you can see the first set of messages from the link on the welcome page.
I made a change to the last group which accidentally caused new topics to be posted in the middle of the list - rather hard to find! This version should post new topics at the top of the list, and is wider to allow deeper topics with more replies. Comments welcome at:
brad@monkees.net
thanks!
brad
From: Stacey
Ok, for reals...is that Amanda? (by the way, if you're not Amanda and you have no freaking idea who I am or why I'm acusing you of being my best friend, I'm very sorry!)
From: Julianna Michelle
I can't really think of a Monkee song that I like the 2nd version better of. I like Peter on Can you Dig It? as well. I'm sure there are a few Beatle fans in here right? Well I like the Cocker version of A Little Help from my Friends better.
From: Brad Waddell
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 3:25:13 AM
Remote Name: 148.74.246.10
This is a test message and should show up above the first message.
Thanks for visiting Monkees.Net!
From: Julianna Michelle
Nope, Mike didn't write "What am I doin' Hanging 'round?" Michael Martin Murphey and Owen Castleman (Lewis and Clarke) wrote it. These guys' bass player was John London who played on a few Monkee tunes and later joined Michael's First National Band in the early 70's. However, Michael did choose this song himself. Good choice, Nez! I've seen Michael Martin Murphey in concert and he's great. I love his song "Wild Fire" about a girl who loses her horse in a storm, anybody know it? I really like Mike's song "Of You" which he sings but unfortunately didn't write...darn! I love "Listen to the Band" especially as sung on "33 and 1/3" because Mike gets so into it, not to mention it's the best part of the movie and one of the very few good parts. I also adore when Mike, Micky and Davy sang... what was it?...Nine Times Blue I believe...on the Johnny Cash show; so much beauty.
From: Tyme
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 6:25:46 AM
Remote Name: 24.218.10.203
Great job Brad. This should be interesting and way easier to navigate. Kudos to you!
Tyme
From: Julianna Michelle
Nope, Mike didn't write "What am I doin' Hanging 'round?" Michael Martin Murphey and Owen Castleman (Lewis and Clarke) wrote it. These guys' bass player was John London who played on a few Monkee tunes and later joined Michael's First National Band in the early 70's. However, Michael did choose this song himself. Good choice, Nez! I've seen Michael Martin Murphey in concert and he's great. I love his song "Wild Fire" about a girl who loses her horse in a storm, anybody know it? I really like Mike's song "Of You" which he sings but unfortunately didn't write...darn! I love "Listen to the Band" especially as sung on "33 and 1/3" because Mike gets so into it, not to mention it's the best part of the movie and one of the very few good parts. I also adore when Mike, Micky and Davy sang... what was it?...Nine Times Blue I believe...on the Johnny Cash show; so much beauty.
From: Mark T.
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 6:46:11 AM
Remote Name: 128.175.144.227
Brad, this new board looks like it will be much better! Thanks a lot!
However, I cannot find any where to reply to messages without having to start a new thread. Is it me, or is there no reply button option in the posts?
From: Julianna Michelle
You're nosy! :o)
From: Steffie
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 8:00:58 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.105.22
Thank you Brad for the new Discussion Board. Looking forward to the concert reviews.
From: Ashley
The first time I heard tapioca tundra, I thought,"gee, that guitar part sounds familiar..." but I never knew it was from that song. I was hoping whatever song I was thinking of was somebody ripping off the Monkees, and not the Monkees ripping off somebody. LOL Well, I know how you feel.
Ashley
From: Chris Coyle
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 10:42:54 AM
Remote Name: 198.113.37.247
Can I believe my eyes? But how do we reply?
This looks likes the Monkees Collecting discussion brd. They have a reply button over there.
A repo mans life is always intense!
Chris
From: Julianna Michelle
You're nosy, babe! :)
From: Mark T.
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 4:01:17 PM
Remote Name: 128.175.144.185
There are rumors floating around that a live CD is being sold at the summer shows so far, entitled "Live in Vegas 2001".
Can anyone who's been to a show confirm this, and if so, list the tracks on it?
Thanks.
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey Beth, babe. Good for you! I've tried to get my cousins hooked on the Beatles; we watched Help! but they just didn't dig it. I have yet to try the Monkees on 'em. I mean I s'pose the Monkees are a bit more juvenile in the image the corporation made for them, so maybe my cousins will like them better. Do your friends like comedy or drama better? Because once you get your hands on "The devil and Peter Tork" and "Fairy Tale", show them those two episodes because they'll make a great impression, I think. I sent those 2 to my friend In Germany and I believe it worked on her and her friend! You just have to find what they like and play it up. Like if one of them likes Davy, show them "I wanna be free", or maybe "You and I" or "A man without a dream" (2 of my Davy faves!) Say Beth, who's your favorite Monkee man? :)
From: **Ashley**
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 6:14:17 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.204.211
I haven't bought the CD (yet) so I don't know what songs are on it. But I was doing my daily browsing on eBay and I saw this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1429323227 The auction is over but they sold the live CD. I don't know if this helps any.
(I was the first person to reply on the new board! Groovy!)
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey Beth, babe. Good for you! I've tried to get my cousins hooked on the Beatles; we watched Help! but they just didn't dig it. I have yet to try the Monkees on 'em. I mean I s'pose the Monkees are a bit more juvenile in the image the corporation made for them, so maybe my cousins will like them better. Do your friends like comedy or drama better? Because once you get your hands on "The devil and Peter Tork" and "Fairy Tale", show them those two episodes because they'll make a great impression, I think. I sent those 2 to my friend In Germany and I believe it worked on her and her friend! You just have to find what they like and play it up. Like if one of them likes Davy, show them "I wanna be free", or maybe "You and I" or "A man without a dream" (2 of my Davy faves!) Say Beth, who's your favorite Monkee man? :)
From: Deborah in Clearwater
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 7:01:21 PM
Remote Name: 24.96.60.132
Thanks Brad!!
From: gv
I don't know a great deal about the Teletubbies, having only seen partial episodes, but anyhoo, I was comparing them to the tv character Monkees, not the real life Monkees. I remind you also that I have a peculiar translation of the TV characters.
From: Monkeescott
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 7:25:49 PM
Remote Name: 63.31.136.216
I went to the Lexington, KY show, and there was no cd set, I woner if there is any way to order it? I gotta have it!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Julianna Michelle
Stacey, Maybe I am, and maybe I AM. But come now, let's not take advantage of Brad's wonderful board, alright? :)
To all my other Monkee Family Members, sorry all my messages get posted more than once but I keep having problems with this page and it won't ever send my messages. And I also did hear that they were releasing a soundtrack from their concerts in Vegas, but I couldn't tell you anything about it; I've only heard it as a rumor. Actually, I think one lady said that that she bought one at a concert, but you can only buy them at concerts, I'm not sure. Anyone else?
From: Monkeescott
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 7:44:02 PM
Remote Name: 63.31.136.216
Thanks for the response Brad! Thanx for all of the hard work...MonkeesRule!!!!!!!Scott
From: Mandi
John Gardner, the morning DJ for the oldies station in Milwaukee (95.7 WRIT), is a DEFINITE Monkees fan.
Every morning, when he does special announcements, he uses the opening guitar riff from 'Mary, Mary'.
When Micky was in town just last May, he did an interview in the studio with John, and he went ecstatic.
In fact, a month BEFORE micky came to milwaukee, the station had a complete weekend DEVOTED to the Monkees, just because ONE of them was coming, and they played a lot of less than known singles. Woke up Saturday morning to 'Tapioca Tundra'. Also played 'Heart and Soul' too.
Ah, it's great when your radio's DJ is a monkees fan?
later
mandi
From: Vixen@monkeeschat.com
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 7:57:51 PM
Remote Name: 65.66.70.0
I agree with all the comments. Now my scroll finger won't hurt from trying to scan the posts {grin}
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey my monkee Family! I'm from New Mexico, 4 hours away from Mike's. I've only been a fan about a year, but I fell and fell hard. Mike's my favorite, for the obvious reason that I can relate so much to him and he's made me see NM in a whole different, beautiful light. And I still think he's sexy even though he's 43 years older than me! (I'm 16.) Everytime I go to visit my grandma in Santa Fe, I'm on the look-out in resteraunts and places like Shidoni. Mike would like Shidoni, anyone been there? Dan- Stacey has ME to thank for all her episodes! :) I got very lucky and I only payed $50 ($20 from Stace) for every episode plus "33 & 1/3", "Heart and Soul", "Head", and "Justus"! I'm a great business women....or something? :) And I agree wholeheartedly with you about Mike's songs sort of standing on their own. They do, don't they? The don't quite go with all the other Monkee songs, oh but they're so grand and beautiful! Mary, I have a friend who graduated from the University of Florida! He's now a law major at George Town in DC. But he's always going on and on about "Go Gators!" So now I have a soft spot for U of F! Teresa, I saw Michael Murhpey in concert as well! What year'd you see him? I love "wildfire". Stacey, Yes nimrod it is I. And you know...I think it IS "grateful"...sorry. :p Mike'll still love you! Both Stacey and I saw the Monkees in concert April 5th. We magically got backstage, without being on "the list"! Yay for us! It was the best night of my life, Peter is so extremely nice! And I got to meet my love Tadg Galleran of Peter's band Shoe Suede Blues! Stacey's sister got hit on by Micky AND the drummer of SSB! That unthankful fiend! Now I have ALL of the Monkees autographs, personalized, including Mike's! (My love!) But the TRAGEDY of it all...we took the film....the wonder film of us with Peter...with Micky (we didn't get one with Davy :(....we took it to Walmart....yes Walmart. And can anyone guess what happened?! THEY EXPOSED THE FILM AND RUINED EVERY LAST PICTURE!!!!!!!!! I cried for a week, and still can't look at pictures without getting all depressed!! Condolences are welcome! I think we should have a "Monkee film funeral" man! And boycott Walmart! At least their film department! Utterly depressed now that I started to think about it...., Amanda (Julianna)- Michelle
From: Rita
Date: 6/10/01
Time: 8:10:23 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.196.23
I was at the St. Louis show---and yes, there is a new CD---but no, I didn't get a chance to look at it---sorry! There are also new Summer 2001 T-shirts---one is a blue tie-dye look---the other is black---$30 each. There was a stuffed animal again, the $5 photo, and also a $5 magnet.
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey my monkee Family! I'm from New Mexico, 4 hours away from Mike's. I've only been a fan about a year, but I fell and fell hard. Mike's my favorite, for the obvious reason that I can relate so much to him and he's made me see NM in a whole different, beautiful light. And I still think he's sexy even though he's 43 years older than me! (I'm 16.) Everytime I go to visit my grandma in Santa Fe, I'm on the look-out in resteraunts and places like Shidoni. Mike would like Shidoni, anyone been there? Dan- Stacey has ME to thank for all her episodes! :) I got very lucky and I only payed $50 ($20 from Stace) for every episode plus "33 & 1/3", "Heart and Soul", "Head", and "Justus"! I'm a great business women....or something? :) And I agree wholeheartedly with you about Mike's songs sort of standing on their own. They do, don't they? The don't quite go with all the other Monkee songs, oh but they're so grand and beautiful! Mary, I have a friend who graduated from the University of Florida! He's now a law major at George Town in DC. But he's always going on and on about "Go Gators!" So now I have a soft spot for U of F! Teresa, I saw Michael Murhpey in concert as well! What year'd you see him? I love "wildfire". Stacey, Yes nimrod it is I. And you know...I think it IS "grateful"...sorry. :p Mike'll still love you! Both Stacey and I saw the Monkees in concert April 5th. We magically got backstage, without being on "the list"! Yay for us! It was the best night of my life, Peter is so extremely nice! And I got to meet my love Tadg Galleran of Peter's band Shoe Suede Blues! Stacey's sister got hit on by Micky AND the drummer of SSB! That unthankful fiend! Now I have ALL of the Monkees autographs, personalized, including Mike's! (My love!) But the TRAGEDY of it all...we took the film....the wonder film of us with Peter...with Micky (we didn't get one with Davy :(....we took it to Walmart....yes Walmart. And can anyone guess what happened?! THEY EXPOSED THE FILM AND RUINED EVERY LAST PICTURE!!!!!!!!! I cried for a week, and still can't look at pictures without getting all depressed!! Condolences are welcome! I think we should have a "Monkee film funeral" man! And boycott Walmart! At least their film department! Utterly depressed now that I started to think about it...., Amanda (Julianna)- Michelle
From: Andrea - Monkeestock 2001
I love the new setup Brad, and one of the highlights of my day is checking out what's new on the Monkees Discussion Board, but what about the groovy topics Cory had started late last week? I was signing on just now to add my 2 cents worth, and I'm not sure if I should add to them on the other board, or if maybe we should start them again on this one. And Cory, glad to see you're back! Great topics...you must've been thinking about us while you were away :)
Monkeelove 4-ever! www.fanstuffonline.com/monkeestock2001.html
From: Julianna Michelle
I too have made an All Mike tape. I affectionatley entitled it "All Nez tunes for Amanda..." Yay! I eventually ran out of Mike songs and had to tag on Peter's but then I also ran out of those (it was a long tape) so I put like, "Oh My My" and "Mommy and Daddy" on it. And you know, the non-Mike tunes are just out of place. You're right, babe!
From: Mark
Just add them here.
From: Julianna Michelle
I too have made an All Mike tape. I affectionatley entitled it "All Nez tunes for Amanda..." Yay! I eventually ran out of Mike songs and had to tag on Peter's but then I also ran out of those (it was a long tape) so I put like, "Oh My My" and "Mommy and Daddy" on it. And you know, the non-Mike tunes are just out of place. You're right, babe!
From: Mark T.
This comes from Rob on AMM:
Intro/Clarksville Little Bit Me Randy Scouse Git Auntie Grizelda Valleri Goin' Down Lucille Oliver Medley Since I Fell For You Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby Higher and Higher Girl Two Part Invention In F I'm A Believer Papa Gene's Blues That Was Then, This Is Now Porpoise Song/Listen To The Band Daydream Believer Stepping Stone Pleasant Valley Sunday
The disc is credited to "Peter Tork, Davy Jones, and Micky Dolenz" and was produced by Jerry Renino, the bassist.
Just a quick comment on the CD. I think it is a better recording than the 1987 live offering. The performances sound fresher. It is not as "Las Vegasy" as the 1987 LP. Also, the music isn't drowned out by audience screams. Plus it is cool to have Peter's arrangement of Lucille on disc. The highlight for me is Papa Gene's Blues from the acoustic set. Great sounding stuff.
However, the bottom line is this: if you went to a show this year and enjoyed it , you'll love the disc. If you aren't interested in Monkees 2001, then perhaps this isn't for you.
From: Julianna Michelle
I too have made an All Mike tape. I affectionatley entitled it "All Nez tunes for Amanda..." Yay! I eventually ran out of Mike songs and had to tag on Peter's but then I also ran out of those (it was a long tape) so I put like, "Oh My My" and "Mommy and Daddy" on it. And you know, the non-Mike tunes are just out of place. You're right, babe!
From: Mark T.
This is from AMM again:
---------- Kansas City set list:
Overture (medley performed by backup band of Monkees hits and famous LP cuts)
Clarksville
Look Out Here Comes Tomorrow
For Pete's Sake
Randy Scouse Git
Mary, Mary
Grizelda
It's Nice To Be With You
Girl I Knew Somewhere
She Hangs Out
Long Title (Peter introduced this as "one of my compositions, witten by George Harrison")
Circle Sky
I Wanna Be Free/Love You Forever
Goin' Down
Girl
Higher and Higher
Purple Haze
Since I Fell
Oliver
Lucille
Little Bit Me
Shades Of Gray
Bach Invention
Valleri
Acoustic Set:
Take a Giant Step (Peter's arrangement from
STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED)
Papa Gene's Blues
You and I (JUSTUS/DJBH song, not the 1969 "You
and I")
Band returns:
I'm A Believer
Can You Dig It
Porpoise Song / Listen to the Band
Daydream Believer (joined by Natural)
Encore:
That Was Then, This Is Now
Steppin Stone
Pleasant Valley Sunday
This was my third Monkees show in two weeks. (I missed the 80's tours and 90's tours so my POV is probably different than a lot of you older diehard fans) and I have to say that Micky, Davy and Peter are great entertainers who work their asses off. Even if you know the jokes, each show is different. While the Monkees may not be my all-time favorite pop group(some of you have teased me about liking the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson), I have to say with all honesty that the Monkees shows that I have seen blow away any Beach Boys show that I have seen. The set list may not have changed much from the spring tour, but almost every Monkees album (except for INSTANT REPLAY and CHANGES) is represented. They manage to blend rarities and hits in a way that is satisfying. And their energy and chemistry are infectious. Old guys or not, Micky, Davy and Peter have more energy onstage than I do (and I'm young enough to be their son!)
So it's not 1986 with the sold out arenas and stadiums. Each show I've been to has (St. Louis and Kansas City were close to being sell outs) been very well attended From a happy ending standpoint, if they decided to end touring as the Monkees after 2001, they would leave on a high note. Monkeewalking into the Wide Blue Yonder!
From: Stacey
Just gotta say.....I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!
From: Mark T.
Let's try that track listing again:
Intro/Clarksville
Little Bit Me
Randy Scouse Git
Auntie Grizelda
Valleri
Goin' Down
Lucille
Oliver Medley
Since I Fell For You
Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby
Higher and Higher
Girl
Two Part Invention In F
I'm A Believer
Papa Gene's Blues
That Was Then, This Is Now
Porpoise Song/Listen To The Band
Daydream Believer
Stepping Stone
Pleasant Valley Sunday
From: Juilanna Michelle
Leigh, Hey I'm Stacey best friend. I thought we were the only ones! You're right that does make me feel a lot better that your film was exposed as well...I mean not that I like you being in pain as well, but now I'm not alone! I swear, I can't even look at pictures without thinking "why'd we leave our cameras in the car and why'd Walmart have to ruin our role!!!!" You know, we took the film to a specialist and they developed them for free because they felt so sorry and appaled! Even though none really turned out anyway! Oh well...everything happens for a reason but I have yet to figure this one out. The great tragedy of my life! :( We've got to stick together, babe!
From: Mark T.
While I must thank the band for giving us a live CD, I can't believe the solo stuff like the Oliver Medley, etc. was put on the CD instead of songs like "Girl I Knew Somewhere", "Can You Dig It", or even "She Hangs Out". These are all songs we don't have live versions of (not including "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" on the Live '67 set). Disappointed in that, but at least we have a new CD finally!
From: Juilanna Michelle
Leigh, Hey I'm Stacey best friend. I thought we were the only ones! You're right that does make me feel a lot better that your film was exposed as well...I mean not that I like you being in pain as well, but now I'm not alone! I swear, I can't even look at pictures without thinking "why'd we leave our cameras in the car and why'd Walmart have to ruin our role!!!!" You know, we took the film to a specialist and they developed them for free because they felt so sorry and appaled! Even though none really turned out anyway! Oh well...everything happens for a reason but I have yet to figure this one out. The great tragedy of my life! :( We've got to stick together, babe!
PS everyone else, I'm sorry my messages keep getting posted more than once!
From: Mark T.
It's interesting to read reviews (like the previous one of Kansas City I just posted by Rob on AMM) by people who have never seen The Monkees in concert before.
Myself having seen them many times from 1986-1989, 1996-1997 and 2001, I pretty much know what to expect. But the fact that new people attending the shows this summer are blown away is a testament to the trio and their talent and energy. To you know where with the critics!! :)
From: MonkeesFan01
To all posters: Please only hit the 'post article' button ONCE...it is becoming quite annoying to sift through multiple posts that are identical. It also clogs the board up and makes it longer to download.
Please just hit the 'post' button ONCE!!!!! DO NOT double click on it! Just click ONCE!
From: john
I saw the KC and St Louis shows too and I agree with Mark. Excellent and improved since CT in march. Guys are very loose and enjoying themselves. Live CD is only OK. I bought it. Vocals are not balanced well.
Another complaint. The lead guitar guy plays a fender Telecaster, whick is largly a country guitar. It does not have the full sound a hollow body gibson has. The lead licks on Clarksville, Girl I knew and others do not sound right. They do not have that 60's Monkees sound. In fact, does anyone know if Nez or ANYBODY ever played a telecaster on ony Monkees records? I doubt it.
But the concert was excellent. Micky lost at least 15lbs since march. David has lost that silly mullett. He is still the showman. Looks good, sounds good. I Wanna Be free was a nice treat and very nicely arranged.
These guys still have it.
From: Monkeesrule43
There is a "Live in Las Vegas 2001" CD out at concerts for $20. Its got about 20 songs. (If you go down on the page there are more posts about the CD)
From: jbordeau@sanconwar.com
I also noticed that Micky seems reluctant to hold his high notes. I don't know if this is simply because he is singing every night and is trying to conserve his voice, or he is self concious about the quality of his high range now that he is aging. I know you Micky lovers are going to be all over me for this, but I don't remember him holding back in the 80's shows. Is he losing his high range?
Some of the best parts of PVS are when he holds those high notes. ("I need a change of scenereeeeeeeeee-eeeeeeeee-eeeeeeee.., ...here in status symbol laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaannnnnnnnnd...") He just didn't hold them. If he can't, thats fine, I know voices change. Maybe his lower range has gotton better, but did anyone else notice this? Check it out on the live CD.
From: suzyque
Also a fan from the git-go. I'm from Missouri. I am 44 (can't be...I wan't a recount). I enjoy coming here to get my Monkee education. I sometimes post but often don't find the time. I love all the positive comments and try to avoid the negatives. Had the time of my life at the KC concert. Would like to "Do It All Over Again"
From: Chris Coyle
Thanks Mark for reposting the track lists here. I second your complaint about including those lame solo numbers. Micky already got his song on his demo cd and Davy and Micky's live tape. I wanted "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" instead..my fave !
I'm getting tickets today for Portland 7/10. I have to wait a full month to hear the cd. If the cover looks like the one on eBay..then it's crap! I hope that is someone's home made CD-R and not the real thing. That's what it looks like, I could do better then that myself.
I told you Mark back a month ago, watch Fishof release this live CD at the shows only. He pulled the same deal back in 1987, why not do it again? I was right..... oh well..at least it's better then a $30 T-shirt..
Chris
From: Jennie
Those two topics that you mentioned were in reference to the Monkees/Bee Gees comparison...
More specifically, I had mentioned a Monkees track (way back in the Fantasy Tribute Album thread) that would be sung by the Bee Gees with Maurice on lead...to understand my reference, one would have to know what Maurice sounds like, and that's what the post was trying to establish --- a recognizable sound. And my post regarding the new album was to see if anyone (who may have the album) could see what I saw, that the Monkees could successfully do a similar album to 'This Is Where I Came In'.
My suggestion to you would be to simply avoid a post or thread that you're not interested in. I enjoy comparing the Monkees to other bands, and seeing what others have to say.
Peace.
From: suzyque
I attended the KC concert and was knocked off my feet. The last time I saw any of them perform together was at World's of Fun in '76. The professionalism of this concert far exceeded that of the '76 performance. I agree, I was extremely impressed by their energy levels. I did not see the cd for sale at this concert--did I overlook?
From: Rocker
Cheer up! Borrowing good riffs is what rock and roll is all about. All the great bands did it. Check out the guitar riff in the song "Master of Puppets" by Metallica and tell me that isn't from "Circle Sky"!
From: Mark T.
Chris...I agree with your sentiments regarding the live CD. It's ashame that Fishof lamed out and made the CD available at the shows only. I guess that pretty much seals the fate of a national release, and doesn't bode well for a new studio album. My question is this...what exactly are the Monkees getting out of this relation with Pearlman's Natural??? Seems Natural is gaining everything (whatever that may be) from this partnership while the Monkees' live CD ends up as a private label release instead of being marketed on Pearlman's TransAtlantic label.
Bottom line.....Fishof sucks. I wonder how he'll screw up Ringo's plans this year???
From: cory
I second Chris' picks. The first three he listed are together on one set (called "Complete") & are solid, innovative country-rock. "Infinite Rider" is a good pop record & features "Cruisin'", which you refer to as "Sunset Sam" (alot of people do).
From: Mark T.
I can see your point about Micky holding back ever so slightly on some songs, however look how he sings "Since I Fell"....he just bellows that song out! As for "Pleasant Valley Sunday", I believe this song has never been performed as good since the 1989 tour. On that tour, "PVS" was the opening number and Micky just quite honestly sung the hell out of it. Often times during the '89 shows, towards the end of the song when he songs "Here in status symbol land", he'd stretch out the "laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand" part over the guitar interlude AND over Peter and Davy when they started the "Another Pleasant Valley Sunday" bit. It sounded great.
Perhaps at Micky's age he fears of killing his voice and is trying to take it easy. That's a good guess. They do have a lot of shows to do this year still. I'm sure our friends in the UK want Micky to sound as good as possible too!
From: cory
I like many alternate versions ("Girl I Knew Somewhere", all versions of "Circle Sky", the longer version of "Star Collector"), but, for me, the unreleased version of "Mommy & Daddy" is the alternate version that by far exceeds the quality of the original! There is no comparison!
From: Jennie
How much are they charging for the live cd at the shows?
From: cory
Oh, of course! "Back Upon My Feet" & "Valleri" are both better in their early, slimmed down arrangements! And I love the backwards part on the early "Words"!
From: Mark T.
$20 for the Live CD.
From: cory
I prefer Pete's version of "I Don't Think..." For one thing: all 4 Monkees on vocals!
From: Matt
Rhino would probably get fiesty if the album was sold any other way, since they do not get a cut. Thats why it doesnt say Monkees on the new live CD, because Rhino owns the name.
From: cory
The best version of "I Wanna Be Free", in my opinion, is the one on "Live 1967".
From: john
I noticed in Ct that he held notes in Since I Fell, but at these last two shows he didn't. He was very stacatto. I hope he is not loosing it, because that upper range is the trademark sound of the Monkees.
From: Tyme
does anyone else notice the old posts stuck on the bottom of new ones?
Tyme
From: john
I just heard about this web site that chronicles the point at which your favorite TV show peaked as evidenced by the plot, and you knew it was all down hill from there. ( It gets its name from the Happy Days episode where Fonz jumps a shark on waterskis.)
There is a Monkees page with some very interesting opinions about when, or if they ever "jumped the shark". Many thought they never did because the show was only on for 2 seasons. Others thought the turning point was the Paris episode, or the last episode, that Micky wrote. I don't know the name of that episode, but I call it the "Zor & Zam" Episode. I don;t think they ever jumped the shark, but if I was forced to choose, I guess I would admit that the last episode was kind of lame.
What do you guys think? check it out at Jumptheskarh.com. Its funny.
From: Teresa in Texas
Hey, that answers a previous question we had on here, Cory--what song do all 4 sing on--Peter's version of "I Don't Think You Know Me." I will listen to that with a more discerning ear, now. I did make a tape with all 3 versions back to back. It's neat to hear what one person emphasizes and the other doesn't.
From: Teresa in Texas
The first contest was so much fun, I thought I'd look through my Monkees duplicates and give one away here, too. The prize is a video of "Dance Monkee Dance," and "Hitting the High Seas." It is not a Rhino video; it's one of the older ones, but plays perfectly and includes the Screen Gems logo, which the newer videos don't have. Songs included are "I'll Be Back Up On My Feet," "I'm a Believer," "Daydream Believer," and "Star Collector." I'll keep the contest open through Wednesday and notify any winner on Thursday. If more than one person wins, my kids will draw a winner's name out of a hat. Here's the questions (all based on the T.V. show):
1. What is the name of the only episode in which Davy did not appear (except in the song at the end)?
2. In "Monkees in Manhattan," the Monkees pose as millionaires in order to enter a country club. Mike is "a rancher from South Texas." What is the name of his "ranch?"
Matching In "One Man Shy," Peter falls in love with a debutante. Her jealous boyfriend tries to trip Peter up by challenging him to rich man's sports. However, the other 3 Monkees take Peter's place to help him save face. Match the Monkee with the sport he attempted:
3. Mike 4. Micky 5. Davy
a. Badminton b. Skeet Shooting c. Archery
More Matching In "Monkees Get Out More Dirt," the Monkees fall in love with April, the laundromat owner. To impress her, each of them takes up one of her favorite hobbies. Match the Monkee with April's hobby.
6. Davy 7. Peter 8. Mike 9. Micky
a. Motorcycle Riding b. Dancing c. Art d. Music
10. In "Dance Monkee Dance," which Monkee is the ONLY one who did NOT sign a lifetime contract with the dance studio?
Send your answers to me at my e-mail address: tntgibson@home.com Do not send them to this list as you might accidentally help others. On the matching questions, use the number I have above, for example, put 3. Mike a. (if you think a is the answer for that question). Any questions, please ask!!
From: Teresa in Texas
First of all, I want to say--you've probably noticed this--something weird is going on with the board. It's wrapping 2 or more posts together and one of my replies above is linked with a post from the OLD BOARD!! So confusing!!
Another alternate version to ponder--Daddy's Song, either Davy or Mike's version. I personally prefer Davy on this one because he seems to handle the time signature changes better than Mike, and the song suits him better. Mike seems out of his league on this one.
From: Mark T.
The episode was the "Frodis Caper" and it's one of my favorites!
From: Teresa in Texas
Actually, I didn't see Michael Murphey in concert--we saw him at a restaurant in Ranchos de Taos. (He lives near there). So, I just worshipped him from afar!! I don't like to bother celebrities while they're eating.
From: **Ashley**
I loved Mijacogeo (The Frodis Caper... Zor & Zam). I don't think that the Monkees ever "jumped the shark" and the Paris eppy was good cuz you could hear more songs... or maybe not... I haven't seen it in a year cuz SGN stopped airing the show.
From: cory
Yeah. What a shame we're having so much trouble working the kinks out of this board!
From: **Ashley**
Hey... don't hate on the mullet now. Because of him mullets aren't as trailor-trashy.
From: Kalikogurlfriend
Hey~ I tried replying before, but this wouldn't let me. Try the Bryce Jordan Center Website-it has directions right on it. Can't wait-!!! Kim K
From: Monkeescott
Does anyone know where I can purchase a copy of the 2001 live cd? It was not offered in Lexington, and I will not be going back this year to get one for myself. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scott
From: Stacey
Yes I've noticed. It's quite disturbing, isn't it? But it'll be ok. :o)
From: john
From: Stacey
Haha! That sounds like me with my friends...always trying to get them Beatles or Monkees obsessed!! Hey, I've actually gotten a few people liking them though, so persistence is the key! :)
From: john
From: Tapioca Tundra
Of course my favorite song is Tapioca Tundra. It is so cool listening to that song while having your headphones on.
From: john
From: Beth
Wow, I've gotten lots of suggestions for episodes to show them. ^_^ Maybe someday if I ever actually have money I can buy some more - I spent it all on the music box cds. Oh, well. As for my fave Monkee, I guess I'd have to go with Mike just becuase I love his music, solo and with the Monkees. It's a hard choice though. :)
From: john
From: Steph
For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, or who wants to see it again... The Monkees will be on Behind The Music at 8pm (eastern) on VH1 :)
From: john
From: Ree
Hi Teresa:
What is it with our 10 years old. My son signed out the "HELP" video from the Public Library. He has been watching it all weekend. I'm glad for one thing though, he went back listenting to the Monkee's CDs. I think he is doing comparisons.
From: john
I don't care for the song Zor & Zam although I think the lyrics are brilliant. Regarding the Paris episode, I have no complaints.
By way of trivia, isn't it true that is the only episode to use "don't call on me"? Which by the way does not fit ANY Nez molds in terms of song types. (Country, power trio, folkie,) That song is pure lounge lizard, and another reason for me to go get Pieces on disk. Does anyone know who wrote it? Was it nez?
From: Julianna Michelle
Yeah, man, I thought I was crazy... It's not cool, not cool at all. I too wish we could get all the kinks worked out of this board because this is seriously the only discussion board that I've been to that actually feels like a Monkee Family! Even though I've only been here a few days.. :)
From: monkeechic
I would like to thank anyone and everyone who posted photos from the Atlantic City concerts. I had great pictures, but someone stole my camera. Anyway, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! Stef
From: Julianna Michelle
Hey babe, I've appologized numerous times for some of the mulitple boards but it's totally not my fault! This board has a lot of kinks in it and I'm lucky if my messages even get sent! Half have been mysteriously deleted and don't show up...so pardon the hassle but I do my best. peace.
From: john
Dude, if I knew you wanted one I would have picked up an extra. I am sure someone at the upcoming concerts in colorado would pick one up for you. It's really nothing to kill for except to have in your collection.
From: Julianna Michelle
Wait, so does anyone know FOR SURE if Mike and Victoria Kennedy are married or if they're just dating? Because I thought they were dating but I read somwhere that they've been married since 1998...?
God is love.
From: john
Ashley, what I love about you is your complete devotion and defense of the Monkees no matter what the circumstances. However, I believe Monkeelove requires us to be constructively critical as well as supportive. Hence, I am anti-mullett on David. Actually on any man. But don't get me wrong, I respect Davy and his rendition of I Wanna Be Free, which I have always considered a lightweight, throwaway song, almost brought tears to my eyes on Saturday nite. Someone has worked up a beautiful arrangment for him.
Monkeelove!
From: Chris Coyle
Ok after a day of some great posts..I come back to a board that is completely screwed up. Brad what is wrong now ?
I'm going back to listen to my Yellow Balloon CD..see ya later
Chris
From: **Ashley**
Mike wrote Don't Call On Me with John London. I personally love that song even tho it's not a typical Nez tune.
From: cr
Does anyone know how Peter, Davy, Micky are currently getting along on tour. Being that the tour is about midpoint.
From: **Ashley**
Micky sounded great at the Merrillville concert and I'm sure he'll sound just as good in Sterling Heights. I think it's just age ya know... his voice getting deeper. But I also agree that it's probably him conserving his voice too.
From: Mark T.
What is the meaning of these posts below:
From: Julianna Michelle
Comments
You're nosy, babe! :)
(then we get this):
to Julianna
From: Stacey
Comments Ok, for reals...is that Amanda? (by the way, if you're not Amanda and you have no freaking idea who I am or why I'm acusing you of being my best friend, I'm very sorry!)
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I now believe it is time for Brad to lay down ground rules for this board. The childish and non-sensical posts that have invaded the Monkees Discussion Board here at monkees.net have become overwhelming. It's bad enough that the board is experiencing technical difficulties, but the rest of us have to put up with the above and other bull**** posts that have become commonplace around here as of late in the meantime.
Being here as a serious participant since Day One, I refuse to stand by silently and watch this place go to pot. This discussion board is the ONLY, the ONLY site on the internet that hosts respectable and intelligent conversations related to the Monkees. All of the other fan sites have bull**** discussion boards, AMM is a complete mess at times and the AOL Monkees board is completely empty, from what I have been told.
So to all that think the Monkees are still 20 years old living on Beachwood Drive in California, GROW UP! It's a fantasy...it's television for pete's sake!! The Monkees are no longer 20 something year olds, and some of you call them sexy! Are you in love with the image of the TV show? Because if you are, I have to inform you of one thing....the Monkees have been off national television for over 30, yes, 30 years!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up!!!!!!!
The cartoonish posts about the Monkees have only led to the Monkees' lack of credibility over the years. Cartoonish thoughts and beliefs just feeds the negative image of the Monkees. As far as I'm concerned, anyone posting these stupid, childish posts about 'TeleMonkees', dork sticks or whatever, you are not real Monkees fans because you don't take the band seriously. You simply play along with the detractors of the band and let it slide. Shame on you.
I better stop my rant here (but I could go on), but if Brad is reading, I hope he seriously considers laying down ground rules on this board to avoid the inane discussion that has polluted this place as of late. The Monkees Discussion Board now needs full-time monitoring to avoid the whole community going down the tubes as all of the many other Monkees discussions boards have done elsewhere on the internet.
From: **Ashley**
Yeah I know... but I guess I love the Monkees so much that they'd look good in mullets! I wish Davy woulda sang I Wanna Be Free in Merrillville. Maybe he will in Sterling Heights. Oh since this is a new board - is anyone else going to that concert?
From: Mark T.
CR: from what we understand, it appears the trio is getting along well.
I was backstage in March and Micky said that they were getting along EXTREMELY well, and he emphasized it greatly.
From: **Ashley**
Is it just the songs or do they talk on the CD like they did at the concerts?
From: Stacey
Does anyone know what the Justus song "Admiral Mike" is about, cause I'd really like to know! Thanks! :)
From: suzannetigger
monkeescott, if you want I'll pick you up a cd at the July 1st show and mail it to you. Let me know if you want me to do this for yu
Sue
From: CR
I heard the same thing back when they did the spring tour and that's probably why they extended it to the summer. I was just wondering if anything has changed because I know they were possibly going to the west coast in August.
From: suzannetigger
wait a sec Mark you lost me. what exactly are Ringo's plans and how is he connected to Fishoff and the Naturals?
From: Tyme
I love the fast version of "I wanna Be free" it's so up tempo and peppy. It's much better than the ballad version I think, and, it's a great way to take yer mind off rush hour traffic on a hot friday afternoon :)
Tyme
From: suzannetigger
I'll be happy to pick up a cd for you in PA on the 1st if you want me too.
Sue
From: Tammy
Hi! I saw them at TurningStone casino in March too. We were planning to go to the Pa show this week also but now it doesn't look like we will be able to. Gleeb, Tammy
From: suzannetigger
that is a good website. I voted on that one that they never jumped the shark but I never went back to see if they posted any of my comments or not
From: Dan Lafferty
Thank you!!!! I'd been hoping they'd show it again soon!!!!!
From: **Ashley**
Does anyone know if the rumors about the Monkees (or whoever) selling a video from one of the concerts on this tour?
From: **Ashley**
I heard both things too. I hope they're just dating cuz then if I ever get the chance to break them up I wouldn't feel so bad! LoL But if they are married... well I'm only 16 so it's not like I had that big of a chance right?
Peace n Gleeb n Dork Sticks... 3 days!
From: suzannetigger
I know I'm looking forward to getting that CD because of Peter's Lucille on it. also what if it's the very last new cd they put out? thats especially why I want it.
From: Mark T.
Great question, Stacey. As far as I remember, the song "Admiral Mike" is about a real life admiral in the navy who was falsely accused of wrongdoing by the media, and because of all of the false reports ruining his reputation, career and family life, he ended up committing suicide.
I forget the name of the admiral that Nez was writing about. I remember reading about it in '96, though.
I think the line from the song goes like this..."you're selling ads, you stupid twit", which refers to the media making up stories to sell papers. Lines like "Realities are crushed beneath the ads your copy sells", "There is no truth you cannot maim" also refer to the irresponsiblity of the media.
Finally, the line "He killed himself, you killed him first" speaks of the admiral in question, saying that the onslaught of the media caused the admiral to kill himself.
From: Tyme
where do we email our answers?
Tyme
From: John
Something very wierd is going on with this board. Not only are random old posts showing up stuck to the bottom of new ones, but my message chain is showing that I have read posts (highlighted) that I have never clicked on. Is anyone else having this problem?
From: M.J.
Hey! Does anybody know if Natural is still performing in the MIDDLE of the show - or are they an OPENING act? (Just curious - I missed the beginning of the Merrilville show because of that arrangement.)
From: Dan Lafferty
Yeah, I know. I was being overly dramatic. Take the Rare Breed's "Beg, Borrow, and Steal". Brilliant use of the "Louie, Louie" riff.
From: Chris Coyle
I love Don't Call On Me. The close vocal is quit impressive, love the major 7th chords. The early demo of that song is in a folk music arrangment.
You're right, The Monkees In Paris is the only episode the song is featured. That episode is like a 30m commercial for the Pisces album.
Chris
From: Kris
Thanks - I'll have to remember that next time. Davy was out on stage when Peter and Micky came around - no clue why Davy did not. Disappointing since he is my fav. Sounds like he came around on the other end of the stage. My friends and I were in the front row directly in front of Micky! Peter was so crazy - definitely having a good time. It was great to see them again and I hope they come around to Milwaukee soon!
Kris
From: susannetigger
lol good question Tyme!
From: shotgun
It's amazing to me the way monkees fans are so offended by Nez's 'lack of loyalty' to the monkees. Why should he, or any one of them, be loyal? They did not create nor do any of them have any emotional investment the monkees, but will in fact eternally be the fall guys for the mistakes and deceit of those who did. They don't even get a competitive amount of the royalties for the shows and music...and that's because very little of it belongs to them. The amount of monkees' music that represent any one of them individually, lyrically or even in terms of musical arrangement, is minimal. Remembering Mike's comments in regard to his leaving the tour in '97 (which I do agree was unprofessional) and his refusal to tour w/ the monkees, I think this is part of the reason. There is no creative return for him. There is no artistic progression for the monkees. At this point they serve primarily as a nostalga act. In fact, this is the reason Peter left back in '69. He realized that even though they were at a point where they could be a real band and create new music, it wasn't going to happen...so he left so that he could at least create music on his own. Even Davy has expressed frustration in the fact that there is no demand for anything new from the monkees; the fans have decided who the monkees are and refuse to allow them to grow into anything else. I myself have no interest in seeing the monkees on broadway, a prospect that Davy has repeatedly hinted at over the years.
Just a side note, I think the other reason Mike keeps refusing is he doesn't like touring. He never did. He expressed in a 2000 (I think) interview w/ the BBC that he was not planning on touring again, and that was in reference to his own music. And I would like to add that Mike had a backing band on his own solo tours, so I doubt this had anything to do with his decision to not join the monkees.
I don't know how Peter feels, but both Davy and Micky have made it clear that they consider the monkees to be an act re-creating the characters and atmosphere of their TV show rather than a musical group. It doesn't seem to me that the monkees are first priority for any of them. I doubt that when Peter cancelled the remaining dates of his Shoe Suede Blues tour to join the monkees tour that he did it out of a preference for the monkees over his own music...he did it because he knew it was a guaranteed financial return. Fortunately for him, Nez doesn't need the money and considers his many business and artistic ventures of a higher priority. The times that he did join the monkees tour he did so because he thought it would be fun, he quit in '97 because it stopped being fun. Incidently according to Micky that tour was not enjoyable for any of them not only because of conflicts between them but also because that tour was put together by outside promoters (they extended a personal invitation to each of the guys separately) who were looking to make themselves some money and ended up ripping the guys off. Please don't take this the wrong way, I know the other guys (as far as I know) are not hard up for cash. But none of them are at Mike's economic level and the kind of financial return produced by these monkees reunion tours is hard to turn down.
And as to the Liquid Paper comment, they have always made jokes at each others' expense even when all 4 are present. They know that Mike's current wealth, though initiated by his inheritance, is due to the many investments he's made and companies he's founded and artistic ventures (not to mention the pretty penny he won in the whole PBS video cataloging case).
I'm just bothered by all the hating and bad wishing on Mike. I have a lot of respect for him because of his refusal to compromise himself, despite the possibility of alienating some monkees fans and former nezheads. I wish I had the strength to speak my mind and do what I want regardless of what people say or thing. I think that's why he didn't go through monkees withdrawal the way Davy did. He went bankrupt buying himself out of the monkees contract, and he didn't get that Liquid Paper money until about 10 years later. But his sanity was held in tact by the self-respect generated by him doing what he wanted to do rather than doing what everybody else thought he should do. He had no regrets in terms of the problems he faced and the way he handled them because he always followed his own mind. I think Davy got lost after the monkees ended because he had spent those 2+ years comprising himself to make everybody else happy, and by the time all those people deserted him he couldn't remember who he was before the monkees...he had been wearing the mask for too long (the typical teen idol syndrome). As for Micky, I think his whole party phase stems from his inability to get the work he wanted. He was seen at auditions then as a rock & roller trying to be an actor, when in fact he's always been an actor who had a stint as a rock & roller. By the way, I remember somebody on this board making a comment about Micky's voice being one of the most underrated in rock & roll and I would love to whole heartedly agree. There are few who have been able to project the energy and emotion he can in his vocals. Unfortunately, the monkees stigma veils the powers that be from recognizing this.
Okay, I'm getting off the soapbox now. I apologize if this is deemed inappropriate or too long for this board but it seemed like the perfect place to express my opinions on the subject.
From: Chris Coyle
I think his holding back the high notes has to do with coming with age. I think Micky still has a fine voice. I did notice he was screaming more then he use to on the Spring tour. I hated it when he held back the long notes on PVS.
His low range was perfect on "Never Enough" off of "Justus" . I can't say enough good things about his vocal performance on that song. Much like Mike's vocal on "Don't Call On Me", Micky's vocals are quite differnt then he's use to pulling out of himself.
Chris
From: Bluerose
Okay, I went to the concert, saw the CD, didn't have enough money with me at the time. Now how do I get the CD? Please email me at Bluerose@rnworks.com
From: Monkeescott
Thank you so very much sue, I will be very grateful. Tell me how much, and i will send you the monee. My friend is going to a concert this Sunday, if they don't have them there, i will post and let you know. I feel the same way as you do that this could be there last cd...gotta have it!!!!!!!!!!!thanx again! Scott
From: **Ashley**
I'm so confused! Which version of Mommy and Daddy is the alternate version? The one about the Indians living where theres too much snow/sun or the one where "it was my blood spilling on the kitchen floor, if it was my blood mommy would you care a little more?"????
Peace n Gleeb
From: suzyque
They performed as the opening act in Kansas City.
From: shotgun
The tag of the 'Monkees on the Wheel' episode features outtakes from the 'Monkees Monstrous Mash' episode. It is here that Micky reads the button he wears which says, "Love is the Ultimate Trip". This scene was not used in the broadcast of 'Monkees Monstrous Mash' though.
I have all the episodes and I don't remember this phrase ever being repeated by anybody anywhere else.
From: Mary
Suzanne,
I'm in Florida and won't have any opportunity to get a live CD. Can I send you the money up front by July 1st and would you be willing to pick one up for me??
Thanks, Mary mkbrant22@aol.com
From: wendy
is anyone going to a concert that could pick up the live cd for me? i saw them in alb. new mexico and they didnt have the cd yet.i would greatly appreciate it. email me at wendythe1@aol.com
From: Steph
Hi All! First off, I dig the new board! My eyes don't go all funky when I'm scrolling now :)
Ok, I was just cruising in my car returning from returning a couple of videos, and what to my wondering ears did appear? But 2 funky Monkees and yes, Davy dear. (man that was corny,huh?) No, it wasn't PVS or even Last Train...it was some stage banter, teasing my brain.
Ok, Dr. Suess has left the building (I think). I was scanning the radio stations and the classic rock station used a clip of the guys (from the first leg of the tour) saying "hi...good evening..etc." stage greeting stuff! It was to introduce the "Zep Set" on the same radio station that sponsored the show at Oakdale in March. I love picking up on stuff like that - I love it when the "modern rock" station here uses clips from Danny Kaye movies and I can tell exactly which movie it's from. :) I am easily entertained.
:) Steph
From: Estrella
The one about blood kitchen spilling on the kitchen floor is the alternate version, and the other one is the originally released version.
Sometimes the alternate is called the original version because it was originally recorded first, but most of the time people use the labels that I've used above.
From: Ree
Hi Mark!
The Monkees Live CD '01, is this an actual CD that is going to be released or a bootleg?
From: Karen
Hi,
On which album in Mike's version of 'The Girl I Knew Somewhere' please?
Thanks
From: Dan Lafferty
I'll be at the Sterling Heights show!
Dan
From: Teresa in Texas
Aren't kids just the greatest? They play stuff over and over until they decide if they like it or not. My 13 year old son played "Listen to the Band" the other day and said, "you know, I think I like this song. I think it's because YOU PLAY IT ALL THE TIME!" (meaning me). So, I guess I'm just like my kids.
From: Micky's Monkee
It was awesome. Now I want to go to the one in North Platte. I wish they played more songs together but Davy was great on his own. In North Platte I hear they are having an autograph signing! Well, the concert was great. I'm still living it over and I'm watching my Monkee tapes over and over. My favorite episode is teh one in the desert, one of their first ones! :)
BTW...Any Nebraskans? LOL
From: Chris Coyle
Shotgun,
I want to express my sincere thanks for such a wonderful, and sure to be for many, a thought provoking post. This is the kind of post that makes this board stand above all other Monkee forums on the Internet, hint hint folks…
You put into words what I’ve been saying all along regarding Mike’s refusal to tour (which btw, this is nothing new, nothing has changed since 1986).
The Monkees do not exist as a creative group. They are a cast of a television show reviving the music that was recorded and performed for that show, nothing more and nothing less. There is no creative force in this act to keep it contemporary or relative for todays pop culture. Call it nostalgia if you want, though I don’t believe young people of today can be nostalgic over a group that was originally popular 30+ years ago. For original fans, it’s nostalgia for fans of the 1970’s and 80’s it’s nostalgia. For younger fans, it’s all new to them. Does that mean it’s contemporary or relative? Not when you have no creative force driving the group. The Monkees have no songwriters, no producers, no new label support or financial means to continue as if this is not a cast reviving the music that once was a creative force in pop music.
For Michael Nesmith, there is no creative return anymore for a group that only existed on television in the first place. The creative outlets that was provided by the success of the show is what drove these 4 guys to become a real band and milk it for all it was worth, it didn’t last long. Let’s say that reason stems from the fact THERE WAS NOT ONE CREATIVE GOAL OR FORCE AFTER THE SHOW ENDED THAT WAS LEADING THIS GROUP OF ACTOR/MUSICIANS. There were TOO MANY egos that suppressed the talent to seed.
I also would like to say, I respect an artist like Nesmith who sticks to their guns, and has all through his career demonstrated that he is not afraid to go against popular desire and taste to be the lone man out. This is a true artist regardless of what you might think of the man’s ego or beliefs.
Chris
From: Rita
Natural performed in the middle of the show in St. Louis. Something was said about their equipment not arriving in time for the show, so they just sat and sang a couple of songs. It was really quite awkward actually.
From: Chris Coyle
Mark,
You sure no how to take the bull by the horns.
I just want to point out that the main point Mark is stressing here is that this forum just happens to be on the most visited Monkees site on the Internet. Monkees.net alone is like the only relative place, though it may be in cyber space, that exists to promote The Monkees fans , history, and future. Many media outlets have access it for information. Do we want to continue giving everyone else out there who still do not respect The Monkees, a reason STILL NOT TO RESECT? How are we ever going to be taken seriously as a pop culture that really matter for something if we continue to act in a way they so believe Monkee fans act? I know I take being a Monkees fan very seriously and have grown to accept the fact others might think my likes are on the fringe and not of today’s taste. I never let that stop me from enjoying what I believe to be a vital and real sense of freedom and joy. Please let’s show these non-believers that we are not cartoons and that The Monkees music or comedy was a real part of a culture that was enjoyed by millions of people and was from the heart rather then from a cynic’s pen.
Peace
Chris
From: Another defender of Davy's mullet
I think you're going a little overboard, Ashley...although I am ROFLMAO!!! I would say Davy's was more of a "Mullet Lite" than a trailer-trash mullet anyway :) But I'm still glad he did away with it. He seems to be a few years behind (hair-wise) for I don't know how long. But don't get me wrong! I'd like him if he was bald like Micky or all messy and sticky-uppy like Peter.
Oh no...here come the Micky and Peter defenders...
Monkeelove & Frodis to all ;) ~Andrea
From: Monkeescott
Just a quick note to say thank yu for the great posts about my grandson, Dylan. Wanted to let everyone know that he has fully recovered and at home with his Dad and Mom!!! God is good!!! Thanx again!!...Scott
From: Andrea
See? There's another reason for him to dump Since I Fell. It's getting old and overdone, Mick. Try something else on for size. And give us our laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnd back! :) I love Micky's voice. I hope he does whatever he can to save it-Davy's has definitely changed over the years, probably cuz of the cigarettes.
Monkeehappiness to all, ~Andrea
From: Rocker
The Monkees show was possibly the hippest thing ever to hit the airwaves, at least on network TV in my opinion. Remember the episode where they had Frank Zappa on at the end? Mike Nesmith and Frank Zappa pretending to be each other is cool on so many levels. Not to mention hilarious. Just in case anyone was wondering, the song excerpt they played at the end was "Mother People" from the Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention album We're Only in it for the Money. I picked that CD up recently and it's brilliantly creative, just like the Monkees TV show. I just wanted to share that because that's what got me interested in Zappa.
From: Mark T.
Ree, this is an actual CD mixed by Jerry Renino! It's totally legit! :)
From: Cheryl
For those who are wanting to purchase the live cd and are unable to make it to the concert. You can email me at cknuth1@hotmail.com and I can go get it for you.
From: Mark T.
Sue, Fishof is also the manager for Ringo Starr, who is going out on the road this summer with his All-Starr Band. Fishof has been putting on those Ringo tours for some time now.
Fishof doesn't have anything to do with Natural. Natural is under the helm of Lou Pearlman (who assembled NSync and The Backstreet Boys). The original deal was in exchange for Natural performing on the Monkees' tour, the Monkees would be able to release a live CD and DVD on Pearlman's TransAtlantic label. So far, Natural has gotten the slot on the tour while the Monkees have gotten nothing.
From: Cheryl
For those who are wanting to purchase the live cd and are unable to make it to the concert. You can email me at cknuth1@hotmail.com and I can go get it for you.
From: Mark T.
Bottom line for me, Micky Dolenz is one of the most underrated American pop/rock singers of our time. I think his voice is unique and classic. If I could have two artists duet on one kick ass song, I'd choose Dolenz and Paul McCartney, who is probably the greatest pop/rock singer of our time.
From: Em
Just wondering...how much is the cd?
From: Mark T.
Agreed on "Don't Call on Me", a great Nesmith tune that makes me ask myself everytime I hear it..."Why didn't Mike sing more than Davy?"
I wish they had left off the "lounge" effects on the beginning intro of the song. It slightly cheapens it, but the vocal and atmosphere of the song easily overrides that minor glitch.
Does anyone know if this is Micky drumming on "Don't Call on Me"? On the Pisces album he supposedly played drums on two songs, one of which was definitely "Cuddly Toy". It's my opinion as well that it's Micky drumming on the PISCES version of "She Hangs Out" as well, though I don't believe there is official documentation of that. It sounds like his drumming to me. He might have played on "Don't Call On Me" too. (On a side note, does anyone know exactly what songs Micky played guitar on the PISCES album? I don't have my box sets close to check the liner notes.)
From: Dan Lafferty
Very glad to hear it. Best wishes.
From: Mark T.
John, did you happen to attend the '87 concert tour? "Zor and Zam" was fantastically done by Micky that year, and might have brought you around to the song after hearing him do it live.
From: Rob McCabe
That was a great post. I agree wholeheartedly. Nez should be respected for *not* doing the Monkees "oldies act" thing.
Rob
From: Mark T.
Ashley, at this point it is rumored that a video/DVD release of the current concert may happen. Now that the Live CD is being sold at the shows, this looks like a better possibility. We'll see what happens.
From: MonkEShyn
This is fun! On their web site AND watching them too. :) :) Is there never enough? I think the best part for me is that at the end, it says something about "their touring ever again is questionable" is fun. I can scream at the TV "Yes they are!" But do they mean all 4 guys??? Just wondering......
From: Bootsie
Me! My girlfriends and I were at the Lincoln show, as well as the KC show the night before! What a way to spend a weekend! Two shows in two night... it still doesn't seem real! We were considering going to North Platte also, but our job obligations are going to keep us from it.
From: Mark T.
Shotgun, though I may not agree with all of your points, I thorougly enjoyed reading your thoughtful post. Please post more often.
From: Mark T.
By reading some of these posts, it seems that there are people going to multiple shows on this tour. I am convinced that there is a legitimate interest in the Monkees right now. Sure, they are not going to fill a hockey arena like they did in 1986 and '87, but nonetheless, attendance reports so far from several posters have said that the shows were sold out or near sell outs. The winter tour earlier this year was a sell out.
It's a good sign for the Monkees. It's also great to see after the lukewarm tour that was '97. Good for them! I hope this encourages them to go back in the studio one last time to make that perfect pop album we know is in them.
From: Stacey
You were at the Alb. NM show too? Hey so were me and "Juliana"! :) We were totally the rowdy crew! Where's about were you sitting?
And yah that totally sucks that the live cd wasn't done by the time they got to our show! I want the live cd very very much!!
From:
Thanks... Looks like I might miss out on the Chicago show, but at least the set list isn't much different.
From: Cindy
This may post under the wrong place, but Cheryl, I am interested in getting a CD if you are volunteering. I emailed you today.
Thankx.
From: M.J.
I forgot to put my name on that last one!
From: suzyque
You are not alone. I don't know if I can keep up with this HA
From: Chris Coyle
Mark,
I dont think the Winter tour was a complete sell out. Maggie said most shows were sold out or NEAR sold out. I know Lowell was not sold out. I remember other posts and reviews stating there were also empty seats at other shows.
The shows are doing good business, but they are still on a small scale compared to the U2 show you just attended. 20,000 people, that's business!
Some of these upcoming Monkees shows are booked for a few 5000 seater venues. Most are still in the 2000 range. It looks like The Monkees are saturating the New England area. It will be interesting to see if they do sell the 5000 tix for the NH Gilford show. I'm feeling good that they are on an up swing, so hoping they do.
Chris
From: Tyme
Well put chris.
From: **Ashley**
The email address is at the bottom of her post.
From: Tammy
I am. Gleeb, Tammy
From: Teresa in Texas
Ya know, if Paul and Micky did a duet, Micky would REALLY upstage Paul. Because Micky can stay on pitch MUCH better than Paul.
From:
The cd is twenty dollars. And I would have to check on the postage to mail it. It's actually quite good.
From: Teresa in Texas
Sorry, y'all, but I thought my e-mail was at the bottom: tntgibson@home.com
From: Steph
That certainly was a thought provoking post. The staunch support for Nez I have read since first visiting this board moved me to take another look at his talents. I have yet to delve into the plethora of solo music available at his site, but from the clips I heard - I wasn't all that moved. I think I will have to purchase a cd in it's entirety to get the full effect (suggestions... Chris?)
I have found myself listening to his Monkees era music more often, and I must say I am always struck by the creativity in Nez's songs, as well as the effect the songs have on me (including one's that he didn't write). I even found myself singing Some of Shelley's Blues the other day. I love his version of Saginaw(I know he didn't write it), and I really really love Different Drum. I think Nez has a wellspring of talent beyond the pop hits that (when my wallet recovers from this summer) I will really have to explore. This past weekend I did come across Tape Heads at SuperK and snatched it up. I thought it was a great movie, and it was really quite entertaining (and I think John Cusak is funny anyway). I just won Television Parts on ebay, and I'm looking forward to that too.
Please forgive me if this seemed a little disjointed (or misspelled). I'm really beat, but I wanted to put my 2cents in and say that I'm grateful for the intelligent and insightful comments posted about Michael Nesmith.
Thanks and Good Nite :) ~~Steph
From: Teresa inTexas
From: Deborah in Clearwater
This board is screwed up for all that are wondering. I would just like to comment that posting twice is only happening not because we are punching the button twice but because the web is so busy it doesn't want to go through and when you try it again it goes through twice. Sorry about the double posting. Also congrats Monkeescott on your grandson I'm glad he is coming home. And shot gun that was a great post about nez you are very acurate about everything you said. Peace and Gleeb, Deborah
From: Jennie
You have all the luck! Sometimes I'll sit there and listen to that station for hours and never hear the Monkees! The only time they ever made me happy was when I won tickets to the Oakdale show (although it was quite humiliating, because I had to make Monkee noises on the radio...)
Did you happen to hear all their negative comments the morning after the Oakdale concert? Beth went on and on (and on) about how WEIRD Peter is, and how she never wants to be near him again...That really made me angry.
From: Estrella
Thanks, shotgun, that was a well thought out post. As a Nezhead, I don't think Nez is a deity or a saint (neither are the others); thanks for bringing the image of Nez back to Earth, instead of Hell or Heaven.
From: Teresa in Texas
Sorry about the double posts; accidentally hit enter instead of delete. Anyway, what I wanted to say is that I've heard lots of Monkee tunes in the stores where I've been shopping. The original songs, not just some stupid orchestra version. I was in Mervyn's, checking out one day and I heard "I'm a Believer." My daughter and I were singing along and I got out my Monkee checkbook cover and made them dance. Well, you'll do anything to keep from being bored in line. I "almost" asked the young clerk if he knew who was singing, but I restrained myself. A couple of weeks later, I was in Garden Ridge, looking at some portraits and trying to make a decision when I heard "Steppin' Stone." The lady helping me was trying to get me to hurry up and decide, but I wanted to stop and bop along. Well, I had to restrain myself and get back to the task at hand. It's hard not to sing along with the Monkees!
From: Linda R.
You're absolutley right shotgun. I don't blame Mike one bit for not joining the reunion or any of that. And I wouldn't blame any of the other guys either. Mike's busy, he's the chairman of numerous boards, he's working on his next novel, he's trying to run Videoranch, he has the record company, and a lot of other things we don't know about, and the Monkees are over. I mean, Peter, Davy, and Micky as men, just making music may not be over, but the phenomena of it isn't there and Mike doesn't have to be either. He put his two bit in and it was an amazing two bit at that! No one would question him if the other 3 weren't into it either. But then...would they be bombarded with "when are you guys gonna get back together?!" like so many other bands of their era are, like the Beatles. I think a great song to convey this point is Micky's "It's My Life".
They're all amazing and great but I think they are trying to salvage something that's not there and rekindle the magic a bit. Most of Davy's songs are still about "I love you la la la, we will be together forever...." which was alright for 20 year old Davy, but after 2 failed marriages I think he should dig in a bit deeper at least. Peter, I think, is just up there to have fun and for the music...not the "I love you" crap, but the notes and the rythym and the beat and the melody and the harmony and the feel of it all. Davy's just too much of a "teen idol" for my liking. I'm not too sure about Micky. He has definitely gotten off the mushy fantasies, but he was never really on them in the first place, and he's always been about maturing as an artist. In my mind Mike's where he wants to be and that's where he should be. We're not him and we have no right to say what is or isn't good for him (a bit contradictive on my part, I admit.)
As far as how the younger generation shouldn't feel nostalgia for what the Monkees were in the 60's, I think they do and I think we owe it to them to respect that. All the screaming fans of the 60's were there and could transfer their energy to that, but today's generation has to be in their room, trying to imagine what it even felt like to be one of those hysteric fans! It's not their fault they were born when they were, and I bet if we gave them a chance, they'd be out of here in a second! I know my daughters would! And I think they have that right. It's easy for us to act "all grown up" because we were kids when Mike and Peter were, and we got older as they got older, and experienced life, but can you imagine being a 14 year old girl avid about everything we stood for in the 60's, and not being able to voice it, or not being heard because the ridicule of all her classmates covers peace up with all their so called "angst"? Maybe kids today have angst because we discourage today what we wanted back then because "it's the past now, we should move on, and it didn't work anyway"! I think a child with peace in their heart, no matter if they get twitterpated when they hear Mike's voice or hear Micky scream in a song, is on the right track. They're not living in the past because they're stuck there, it's just that today hasn't caught up to speed yet. Don't discourage the kids if they want to think Peter's sexy! Because that's not all their thinking about, they're also thinking of Micky's message "love is the ultimate trip" and Peter's "God is love" and "Don't quite just before the miracle." Aren't those all great messages, even in today? And my daughters are far from flaky! My oldest graduated as valedvictorian of her class and she still lives by the notion that "Love is the ultimate trip!" What a great mentality! Not to mention most of the older fans today just want the Monkees to play "Last Train to Clarkesville" and "The Monkees Theme Song", when the teens in the crowd are aching for "Magnolia Simms", "Can you Dig It?", and "Goin' Down", which they know all the words to. (I don't even know all the words to that one! My daughters knew them by heart a week after they got their hands on the song!) Anyway, I'm sorry to have gotten carried away like that. Love one another, live in peace! Linda R.
P.S. I know that I haven't posted in a really long time, but I think that a lot of people are getting worked up about this board over nothing. So you think we should limit this to "Original Fans" or something? Just because some people know how to joke around doesn't mean they don't have respect for the Monkees. But then again I suppose most people can't possibly respect them and understand them the way others can! I happen to think the "blue tork sticks" or whatever they were called is a good idea! Don't let it get you down honey! Peace
From: Jennie
Another thing to consider about Lowell was the weather. I barely made it to the show in one piece because of the blizzard. It took me three hours to get to Lowell (compared to less than 1 hour to get home the next day, because the storm had passed). That probably prevented a lot of people from coming. The highways were terrible.
The Oakdale concert (the day after Lowell) was full.
From: Julianna Michelle
It's in my dreams every night, too babe! "Time is a cruel cruel joke!" :o) Dreams is the key word though, I really want Mike to be happy and not alone...even if he's not with me.
From: Mark T.
Chris, You're right about Maggie saying the shows were sell outs OR near sell outs. I forgot the 'near' part!
But I thought that when that winter tour started that the crowds would be very poor, seeing as there is nothing out there pushing the Monkees along. But I was wrong, so in turn I was completely surprised and pleased.
I guess the Behind the Music/E!/VH1 movie helped things out quite a bit.
From: Julianna Michelle
Linda, you are my angel! I couldn't have said it better! I whole heartedly agree with you; I mean, give us 30 more years and we'll be caught up as well. Just because you're young doesn't mean you don't have respect for the Monkees or take them seriously, or that you're a flake, or just another hormone-driven teen. I mean I'm 2nd in my class, so I'm not an idiot or anything. I know the difference between wanting to be held my 21 year old Mike and simply having 59 year old Mike say "Well, bless your little heart!" (Which he has said before!) And I also know the difference between those two and Mike being "over the hill" with 2 divorces, 4 children and 30 some odd years of music and buisness under his belt.
I also agree with you that Mike shouldn't be anywhere he doesn't want to be. If touring isn't his bag, then no one should be bitter that. Just because they bought some of his music or literature doesn't mean they own him or that he owes them anything else! If Micky, Peter, and Davy dig that, than more power to them! Music is good for the soul even if it is just the Theme song! There is such a thing as being taken TOO seriously. Like thinking you know them because you think you know what one of their songs meant to them at that point in their life, or looking for meaning in words and actions that have none. Dispite all the Monkee hoopla they do have their own private lives and they can remember when they were 5 years old and not "Hooray for Davy! He's touring again!" Thanks again Linda! God is love! :o)
From: john
I think I saw them in 86 and 87 but I don't remember that one being done.
From: Chris Coyle
Steph,
If Mike is still selling "Older Stuff" and "Newer Stuff" at Videoranch, I would start with those 2 cds. They will give you a complete overview of his country rock (older stuff) and newer pop (newer stuff) material. I would also pick up a video of "Elephant Parts".
happy listening
Chris
From: Mark T.
For those who haven't seen the Monkees' Concert Tour Set List Page, check it out....once again newly updated as of 6/1/01!!!
http://monkees.net/docs/setlist.htm
From: Mark T.
In response to Linda, I am afraid to inform you that you are wrong about what I originally posted as to the condition of this board. I never said to limit this board to "original fans." Are you all reading my posts completely? I simply called for ground rules to facilitate serious discussion about the Monkees as a band, television show, touring group, etc. etc., without all of the unnecessary posts that add nothing to the discussion, like 'TeleMonkees', the fact that dork sticks were showing up in every post somehow or the Monkees being accompanied by dancing chimps while singing "Midnight Train".
You say, Linda, that these people are fans but just deal with their fandom in different ways. Well, again, I disagree. They are not fans. They are fly-by-nighters who are here for the summer tour ride and once it's over, as too will their fandom be over. And if you want proof, take names down of all the people posting non-sensical posts, and come back here in six months and tell me if they are still here actively participating in the community. They won't be, Linda, and I'd bet the house on it. We saw it in '96 and '97, or even in pre-internet times in '86 and '87, and we'll see it again in '01. Perhaps everyone should delve into the difference between a true 'fan' of the Monkees as opposed to those who are obsessed with an image that hasn't existed in 30 years, who only are obsessing over that image of long ago and nothing else of validity. A 'fan' is a serious follower of the band in question. Someone obsessed is a teenybopper whose flavor changes weekly or monthly when the 'next best thing' comes around.
As for getting worked up over this discussion board, I and any other posters here have a right to be disappointed when the board is invaded with cartoonish discussions. Ya see, we've searched and searched the internet for a decent place to discuss this band, and we found one here in February when Brad opened the board up to the public. We've also seen the very same fly-by-nighters I just spoke of come in to those other boards and take them over, talking about anything and everything except the topic at hand---the Monkees. (Or instead talking about the Monkees as sex symbols, whether they wear boxers or briefs, and other inane, childish posts.)
If you are not worked up about it, Linda, perhaps it is because you are not always actively participating in the board discussion. I rarely see you post here, so until you are a more active participant, sit back and let the rest of us who are actively facilitating a respectable discussion board to try and work the problem out.
From: john
There is the standard intro comments and jokes to some of the songs.
From: I'm back!!!
I'm finally back! For the past few weeks, monkees.net hasn't been working for me. Today, it finally started to work again!!! I have so much stuff to read. I'm so glad to be back. I really missed the board, while monkees.net wasn't working. Erica
From: John
I would guess these two sgows I attended ere at least 90% full.
From: saturday's child
Hi all,
Just wanted to let you know that I just spotted an eBay auction for 2 tickets to the State College PA show this Sunday. They are very good seats won on a radio show. The auction number is 1441629527 and there were no bids yet. The opening bid is $25 for both tickets.
I have absolutely nothing to do with this auction, I just happened to see it and I thought it was a terrific deal for someone in that area. I know the fans on this site would appreciate it.
Have a great day!
From: Rocker
Just wanted to say that the Monkees TV show was one of the funniest things on TV. It had great music too. People should also realize that Mike Nesmith wrote a lot of great tunes for them and also played a mean guitar. Best Monkee tunes: 1. "Look Out" 2. "I'm a Believer" 3. "The Girl That I Knew Somewhere" 4. "Last Train to Clarksville" 5. "Valleri" 6. "Star Collector" 7. "Words" 8. "Saturday's Child" 9. "Steppin' Stone" 10. "I Wanna Be Free" There are many others, but these are the first that come to mind.
By the way, if you want to hear something crazy check out the death metal version of Steppin' Stone from Six Feet Under!
From: Teresa in Texas
I've enjoyed reading this board every day since it began in February. We're going on vacation in a few days (to New Mexico!), so keep it up and I'll read it all when I get back. I also have another video that I'm going to give away. Let me know if you think I shouldn't do that any more. Lately, I've been afraid to say anything--might get taken the wrong way, or maybe I'm not academic enough. I was a valedictorian, too! But, I'm a fan, too, in many ways. I can scream, but I can also find nuances and differences in their music. I want to be a serious fan, but I also want the fun, too. I hope this makes sense. Be back soon!
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From: cory
Wow, Shotgun, where did you come from? I don't recall noticing your posts before & then THIS! All I can say is, "Here! Here!" - I agree wholeheartedly.
From: suzannetigger
man I hate when it posts before I get a chance to write anything. Anyway, I just got my new Live 67 CD in the mail today. and it's the first live Monkees album I have ever owned. I love it! I especially like the version of The Girl I knew somewhere with Mike and Micky harmonizing. I plan on listening to this one alot!
From: Estrella
The version of "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" that has Mike singing lead is on Rhino's 1995 CD reissue of Headquarters. Can be obtained at rhino.com or other online CD stores.
From: suzannetigger
Mark, The Bryce Jordan Center at PA State College seats 16,000. It should be interesting to see how many of those seats get filled.
From: Jennie
Just ran across this mini-article, talks about Pearlman, uses a Davy Jones quote, calls the Monkees "the first boy band in pop history" (**shudder**)...by today's definition, I don't think it's fair to call the Monkees a boy band, but I'd rather not get into that argument again...
O-Town Drops Boy Band Manager Page Six
Once, twice, three times a loser.
Lou Pearlman, the man who created flagship boy bands Backstreet Boys and 'N Sync - only to be fired as their manager once they hit it big - has been canned once again.
O-Town, the all-boy band whose formation was documented in an ABC television show, Making the Band, has followed in their predecessors' footsteps and dumped Pearlman for a new management team.
Actual Management, launched by former members of Pearlman's company, now handles fast-rising O-Town, whose current hit single is "All for Nothing."
Michael Friedman, a lawyer for Pearlman, insists the parting was "amicable."
"Lou is still involved with the group through contracts with the show, but he is no longer the day-to-day manager of the group," Friedman told The Post's Allyson Lieberman.
A rep for O-Town confirmed the split, but declined to comment on why they went their separate ways.
While Pearlman and his Transcontinental Records have amassed a fortune shaping packs of hunky young hopefuls into teen-pop groups that consistently top the charts, it hasn't been easy keeping the boys under contract.
As soon as they become stars - with Pearlman picking out the best songs available and bringing in top producers - the youngsters become dissatisfied with the original terms.
Earlier, 'N Sync waged a bitter legal battle against the Orlando-based Pearlman, calling him "unscrupulous" and "greedy" and a "loving father figure" who "took advantage of our trust." Pearlman and 'N Sync eventually settled out of court.
The Backstreet Boys also canned "Big Papa," as he is commonly known by the bands he creates, and signed on with new management teams.
But Pearlman, recognizing the short shelf life of boy bands, isn't too unhappy to see them go - it gives him a clear field to launch a new group.
Pearlman was once asked by Davy Jones of the Monkees - the '60s phenomenon known for hits like "Pleasant Valley Sunday" and now widely recognized as the first boy band in pop history - if groups like his would ever go out of style.
"I asked him [Pearlman], 'Where does it end?'" Jones told Page Six. "And he said, 'When they stop making little girls.'"
From: suzannetigger
Wow great CD! I really like You can't judge a bookby lookin at the cover. and thats the first time I ever heard the faster version of Wanna be free. I just love this CD!
From: cory
Mark, I'm more or less with ya, but you're coming off just a little bit harsh. The less serious post-ers won't linger, so they'll take care of themselves, I think. My fear is that your stricter stance might make less frequent post-ers like Linda - or kids who might grow into more serious fans - shy away from the site all together. They'll be too nervous about being criticized or ridiculed, or think of us heavy post-ers as sortof schoolyard bullies: "my turf, my rules". Everything will be fine. I'm more concerned about the clutter & chaos caused by these old postings!
From: john
You have named the best Rocker. What is your position on Pleasant Valley Sunday? Nez on lead. Peter on piano. Almost all Monkees singing. Social commentary. A great cut all around.
And by the way, and I ask this to the regulars also, is not Tomorrow's Gonna Be an underplayed song! Same great guitar work by the masters who played on Clarksville and Sat's Child. And one of the few Monkees tunes with harmonica. And has it ever been played live? I'll bet never. Try playing that one in your car full blast with the windows down. Instant Karma. Oh and does anyone know the dam lyric to the second line of the chorus in Sat's Child, the one after "...she drives me wild..." A timeless mystery.
From: Chris Coyle
Erica,
Glad to hear you are back. As you can see the layout of the board has a few grimlins eating at the software. You might have to re-type the subject line to make sure your reply shows up like you want it to.
Chris
From: **Ashley**
What row/section? I'm in center row QQ... but I really don't plan on staying there.
From: Chris Coyle
Jennie,
Thanks for posting the article. I don't think this Pearlman character is the right guy for the job heh?
Chris
From: suzannetigger
Hear Hear! I absolutly agree with you. Micky is one of the best pop singers I have heard and I really enjoy his Blues. I can never get enough of his singing. I sure hope he doesn't loose his range. He sounded pretty good in Easton back in March and hit all the high notes and stretches without any noticable problem.
From: Chris Coyle
Teresa,
Have a nice vacation and don't sweat it. We can all get along. Looking forward to your next post.
Chris
From: **Ashley**
...gonna spend my time... LoL
From: Estrella
Kind of wonder if Natural will decide to let go.
From: suzannetigger
sent you an email with my address if you want me to get you a cd when I go.
From: The Kid
Peralman seems to be a lot like Don Kirshner, or Bert and Bob. They're the right people to do the job, and they do it right, but the bigger these band's ego's get, they more they're gonna wanna do it their own way. Every Peralman band is taken under his wing, given fame, and then they dump him. If anyone is getting screwed in these situations, I think it's Peralman! We see how well the Backstreet Boys are faring without him. They're cancelling tour dates because they can't make the numbers. It's only so long before N*Sync and O*Town start to see what happens.
From: Suzietigger, some listening tips, John
Pay attention to Micky's drumming. It is irregular and he plays the hell out of the cymbals. It is interesting to note how he was still a novice drummer and seemed to ad lib frequently. Additionally, playing and singing at the same time is difficult and at times you can see that he had not completely mastered it yet. (Some Micky nut is probably going to write in now and attack me, but I point this out in the spirit of monkeelove debate only.)
And note how distorted Mike's git is. This is because the amp had to be turned up all the way to fill the arenas back then. Hence he got a natural distortion that today git players use special effects to achieve. Obviously there is not supposed to be any distortion on Sunny Girlfriend, but he has no choice.
And note that Peter's bass playing is flawless. As a git player I can tell you that you can't just pick up a bass and sound that good. That takes practice!
From: Jennie
The Kid, I don't think you have all the information...there are similarities, but Pearlman is not 'golden' like Kirschner was. Kirschner had a gift for recognizing hit music (even if he was a shady human being), but Pearlman is just working off a formula.
It's not about these bands thinking that they're too big to stay with Lou, it's about Lou ripping them off! I saw a program on CourtTV once that focused on Pearlman, and his legal difficulties with the Backstreet Boys and Nsync. The Backstreet Boys earned over $10 million while under Pearlman's control, but they received less than $300,000 (to split 5 ways!). The segment also cited the amount that Nsync had generated, versus the amount that they received (I can't remember the exact figures) and there was an even more astronomical difference between those numbers than the BSB. The fact is, Pearlman takes advantage of these groups because he can. As for the current situation with Natural, they didn't even want Pearlman for their management! One of the Natural boys got into some legal trouble and their old manager dumped the band off on Pearlman...
I definitely don't feel happy about the Monkees being involved with Pearlman, but I think they are old enough (read: wise enough, experienced enough) to see a bad deal. Hopefully that chip on Davy's shoulder will prevent them from being 'had' by Big Papa.
From: john
Oh My God!!! Are you sure? I have been trying to figure that out for 15 years!!???
Are you just guessing?
From: **Ashley**
I agree w/ you about posters posting less because they are afraid of being ridiculed (sp?). I don't post on the "deeper" topics because of that. Anyway... just wanted to say that I agree w/ you.
Peace n Gleeb
From: Davy Gurl
Does anyone know where I can get the mailing adresses of any the Monkees? I would like to write some fan letters. I'm new to the board, I'm suzannetigger's daughter.
From: CT
I don't see why every post has to be about who played what instrument on which song.
From: suzannetigger
actually that's what I really like about this cd. It's true grit Monkees with all of their imperfections and garage band sound. not the polished stuff you hear from a studio album
From: Stacey
Coming to NM, eh? Well have fun! That's where I live :). I'd thought for certain that the rest of the nation had forgotten about us! Except for Nez of course :)
From: Jason
Having seen the Monkees 5 times this was one of the best shows probably because my seats were right next to the stage. The guys seemed really into it eventhough you could tell it was opening night (equiptment malfunction, etc.) The setlist was basically the same as the spring. The highlight of the show for me was hearing Can You Dig It and Circle Sky and the lowlight had to be Davy singing Consider Yourself from Oliver. That part of the show needs to be dropped. At the end of the show, as Micky was walking off the stage he shook my hand so all in all it was a great show.
From: CT
Thank you Linda and Julianna!! I am glad there are people on this board that feel the same way i do. I just don't understand why some people want everything to be so serious. And, I too think the Dork Sticks are a great idea. As a matter of fact, I already have purple ones for myself and my two "MonkeeBuddies" (my mom and our best freind) to take to the next concerts we go to. By the way, is anyone here going to either o the Westbury NY concerts or the Buffalo NY concert? Gleeb, CT the Monkee Groupie
From: Mark T.
Welcome to the board!
You can find addresses for each Monkee by going to the main page at www.monkees.net and clicking on each guy's picture there. You'll see their addresses once you click, and can also find links to the guy's individual home pages.
From: Wayne Adderley
Hi Gang, I am seeing The Monkees in concert in London and have noticed that they are playing major venues and not small theatres, not bad for a made for TV band. All the best, Wayne
From: Mark T.
"Tomorrow's Gonna Be Another Day" is a great underrated Monkees song, which has never been performed live before!
Here are the lyrics to "Saturday's Child":
Monday had a sad child Always feeling low down, Tuesday had a dream child She's always on the go Now I'm in love with Saturday's child She drives me wild Gonna spend my time Makin' sure that Saturday's child is mine.
If you love a Wednesday You'll live your life apart now And if you love a Thursday She's gonna break your heart, So I'm in love with Saturday's child She drives me wild Gonna spend my time Makin' sure that Saturday's child is mine.
Seven days of the week made to choose from But only one is right for me I know that Saturday's got what it takes, babe. I can tell by the way she looks at me
Friday likes the good life She'll take you for a ride now And Sunday makes a good wife But she wants to be a bride So I'm in love with Saturday's child She drives me wild Gonna spend my time Makin' sure that Saturday's child is mine.
[repeat 8 bars 3 times then fade out]
The Monkees Lyrics Catalog can be found here:
http://www.monkees.net/lyrics/LYRICS.HTM
From: Mark T.
CT, you and others still don't get it.
I wash my hands clean of discussing it any further here on the board.
From: Mark T.
WOW! 16,000 is a lot....I doubt they'll fill it. I guess Fishof doesn't realize it's not 1986/87.
Maybe they'll cut the arena in half. Some arenas do that by putting a huge curtain down the middle of the arena. Let us know!
From: Mark T.
Hey Wayne, I think it's awesome that the trio are playing arenas in Europe in the fall.
I think one reason they are able to play arenas in your country is because the Monkees do not perform there as much as they do in America. The demand in places like the UK is greater. The European audiences have not been over-saturated as the American audiences can sometimes be (for example, '96 and '97 US).
Were you able to see the trio in '89 while they were in the UK?? Let us know!
From: Teresa in Texas
I'd really hate to think that the Monkees ever jumped the shark, but you know, in the 2nd season, when Mike skipped several shows--that sort of was the beginning of the end to the show.
From: Mark T.
Great points about Pearlman! Jennie, you hit the nail on the head. This Pearlman guy is a user and abuser it seems. I'd like the Monkees to be as far away from him as possible, but I'm afraid that as long as Natural is incorporated into the Monkees' concert, Pearlman will be around.
However, I think Pearlman has little to zilch influence on the Monkees of today. Pearlman is there for Natural, and it was Pearlman who inked the deal with Fishof. So, I think the Monkees thought they might have a good thing here and kinda cash in on the wave of boy band mania, but I think it's beginning to fade and it doesn't look like Natural is going to do it. (Or, is it to early to say???)
From: THANKS MARK
From: Re: To Linda re: the discussion board
Oh, come on, Mark! "Fly-by-nighters"? Stereotypifing people just weakens your point.
Okay, let's take down the screen names of those who have posted this month and see where they are in six months and what reasons they have for not posting here anymore. "I have too many things to deal with in my life", "I don't have access to the internet as much as I did before", "I don't find *anything* new to talk about where The Monkees are concerned (especially after being censored), but I still listen to their music at times".
You expect people to be regular posters here and only talk about The Monkees in a serious manner, or else they're deemed not real fans? Cree-py.
Kind of ironic though, I mean, Nez was trying to make The Monkees such a serious group and look what the critics thought.
From: suzannetigger
Have no fear, I definately will be posting after the show and let you all know how full it was and everything
From: CT
Good.
From: Mark T.
Well, this couldn't be helped. Mike's wife was in a serious accident during filming and I believe he was quite ill for another show he missed.
From: Steph - to Chris
Thanks Chris! Yeah, I was considering those two, I'm glad I got a second opinion. I will have to check those out - and I've been toying with just splurging on Elephant Parts. Maybe I'll just get the CDs and the video all in one shot. (My credit card just groaned)
How is Television Parts by the way? The clip of Elephant Parts on Videoranch was interesting-in a good way :)
Thanks :) Steph
From: Mark T
Did Peter happen to comment about the actual venue itself, the Fox Theater, during the show? He and Micky both have commented on how they love playing there.
I believe the Monkees played the Fox Theater in 1987 and 1989 too.
From: Steph - to Chris
Thanks Chris! Yeah, I was considering those two, I'm glad I got a second opinion. I will have to check those out - and I've been toying with just splurging on Elephant Parts. Maybe I'll just get the CDs and the video all in one shot. (My credit card just groaned)
How is Television Parts by the way? The clip of Elephant Parts on Videoranch was interesting-in a good way :)
Thanks :) Steph (I'm sorry if this posted twice)
From: Jason
I believe that Davy was the one who said that they thought the Fox was one of the most elaborate places that they will play. Davy commented that he was in Oliver in 1965 when it played at the Fox Theatre.
From: CT
Good.
From: john
I have to say that I was not bothered by the Oliver medley, even though I ave now seen three shows this year. I think he does it well and he enjoys doing it.
Would I rather hear Star collector, Man Without a Dream or Early Morning Blues & Greens ( or whatever its called, by the way did he write that?)? HELL YES.!!
From: Stacey
First of all, I'd like to say that everything Linda R said, I agree with whole-heartedly!! Second of all, I'm only 15, but I'm no summer-tour "fly-by-nighter" 3 month fan! I've loved and respected the Monkees since I was 10 years old and continue to collect music, episodes and information on them. I am fully aware that they are no longer 25 years old and that they never really lived at Beachwood drive. And please don't insult my intelligence in such a manner!! My GPA in school this year was 4.25 so apparently I'm not just some idiot. I am also fully aware that Peter Tork is 59 years old, and you know what? He is THE SEXIEST 59 YEAR OLD MAN I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!
What is all this about “serious discussion”?? Don’t get me wrong, I do want to have serious discussions about the Monkees, but that doesn’t mean that we aren’t allowed to have any fun or call them sexy! The only reason I might not be here writing in six months from now is because I would feel so incredibly upset by all the things you’re accusing me and the younger generation of. You know? And if I was really some “obsessed teeny bopper whose flavour changes weekly”, I would be in love with freaking N SYNC, not the Monkees (and the Beatles for that matter). What do you mean, “cartoonish discussions”??? I happen to think that Blue Dork Sticks are a good idea, and I don’t think it’s an annoyance for people to talk about them!
And so what if certain people don’t post often on the board? Maybe they quit because they thought that certain people were a drag! I mean, come on, we’re not a cult here, are we?? It’s not some kind of law that “you MUST post at least one time every week or you will be banished FOREVER!!”. At least not to my knowledge!
And as for me and Julianna’s posts about “is that you?” and “You’re nosy!”…we happen to be best friends who went to a Monkees concert together and we were just trying to figure it out. It’s not like we waisted TONS of space on those few little sentences! And once we got it figured out, it’s not like we posted some update on our freindship every day, we just write and contribute our opinions on the board like everyone else.
Also, why would we want to post about deeper topics when we’re so afraid that just because we’re under 21 or because we weren’t born in the 60s (like Linda said, we can’t help when we were born.) we are going to get ridiculed for our personal opinions.
Peter: ...and nobody listens to kids talking for kids because kids are only kids, you know, and they go through this vicious cycle, authority does. I’m being very general because I don’t wanna like call names or anything. Davy: The reason I haven’t spoken all this time is because that it doesn’t matter what I say; nobody’ll listen to me because I’m under twenty-one. (Micky laughs) So I’m just keeping my mouth shut.
That is from an interview with the Monkees that I’m sure you’ve seen. And right now I’m being pretty able to relate to what they’re saying!!
In my opinion, there really isn’t any “childish or nonsensical bull ****” on this board except for you reprimanding everyone who has a little bit of fun.
Anyways, I’m sorry this was so long, but you cannot just attack (or severely reprimand when no wrong has been done) some 15 year old girl, or anyone for that matter! and expect no response.
From: JOHN
What songs on the first 7 albums did Davy write or co-write? Any?
From:
From: wendy
hi, i went to see the monkees in new mexico and they didnt have the cd out for the first leg of the tour. since they dont seem to be coming to texas would you pick up a cd for me? my email address is wendythe1@aol.com thanks, wendy
From: Wayne Adderley
Hi Mark and gang, yes I did see The Monkees UK tour in 89, I was 14 then. I then saw them again in 97 with Mr Nesmith with the band, and now I'm 26 and still a very big Monkees fan, and I am looking forward to my next Monkees concert.
From: brad@monkees.net
Did they play Last Train as the first song? I've had reports that they did not play their traditional first song, and I find it hard to believe! thanks.
From: Estrella
Chris, I don't remember who said it, but I thought it didn't matter what the critics thought? Even if people don't see silliness going on here, they are barely going to see a serious, two-way discussion about The Monkees on this board. The reality is Monkee discussion doesn't have enough material to be innovative and fruitful, and yet serious at the same time, all the time.
After we spat out all the banal trivia, what's left without risking repeating the same bits over and over and over until somebody goes goo goo g'joob? Yes, it's a bit much to have too much silly stuff, but the converse (the whole "serious" look) is a bit much also. One extreme doesn't make the other more sanctimonious.
From: Mark T.
David co-wrote or wrote the following songs from the first original nine Monkees albums:
Hard To Believe (co-written with Kim Copli) /
from PISCES
Co Written with Steve Pitts:
Dream World (from BIRDS, BEES...)
The Poster (from BIRDS, BEES...)
Co-written with Bill Chadwick:
You and I (from INSTANT REPLAY)
If I Knew (from PRESENT)
The French Song (from PRESENT)
Davy also is listed as co-writer on Goin' Down, Zilch and Band Six.
There are also many Jones-written songs from the various box sets (Smile) and Missing Links volumes (War Games--a great song, Changes, etc).
From JUSTUS:
You and I (co-written with Micky)
Oh, What a Night
It's My Life
Let me know someone if I've left anything out.
From: Mark T.
Wayne, very cool that you caught the '89 tour. Which show did you enjoy more? I guess that's an easy one, huh? You can't beat having all four onstage for a full concert.
I'm still bitter that America never got to see it! ;-)
From: Mark T.
I left out his composition of "Love You Forever" from Pool It!
From: Tyme
Stacey, I'm only a few years older than you, but I can see(and completely understand) where yer coming from. I actually have been trying to stay out of these threads for the exact reason I shouldn't. I was worried about something that I might say would make the 1st generation fans upset or preturbed. I love the Monkees for what they are (or at least what I see them for), The cast of a TV show that turned into a real live band (and no, that's not the same as Micky's vulcan line, thank goodness ;). I have been a fan of The Monkees since 1987 when my older brother and I would watch the TV show (I already told this story so I'm not going to elaborate, if you really wanna know, go back to the old discussion bored and it's under like long story or something) After the show when I got older I learned to really appreciate the music, and thanks to the internet I became completely devoted to The Monkees, their TV show and their music. I love learning new things about the guys and I love to watch them perform dispite their age. I don't live in the past, I don't think that they're all still 25 and the only time I ever thought they lived at beechwood was when I was 4 and 5. (Can I be ridiculed for that?) I consider myself to be a pretty serious fan, but, maybe others wouldn't think so. If that be the case I'm sorry. I can't help what I like and the way I like it. I have been a basically loyal Monkee fan for over 10 years and I'm not going to stop being a fan after the tour is over. I'm sure there'll be a point in my life when I get too old to like them as much as I do now, but I know I'll always appreciate them and their music.
Peace and Gleeb,
Tyme
From: Mark T.
For those looking to brush up on your Monkees facts and trivia, check out the Monkees' FAQ site. It's got a lot of answers to all things Monkees!
From: wendy
yes i was at the new mexico concert. we were in the second row in the middle. i had my husband and two kids with me. we even got backstage. we the family from houston. my kids still talk about their first concert experience. wish they would now come to texas so we can see them again.
From: **Ashley**
That's the first part of the song I learned! I couldn't figure out Micky's part of the chorus so I always sang along w/ Peter on that part.
From: Sean
Hey guys,
Is anyone going to be at the PNC Bank Arts Center show on July 12th? My friends and I are going dressed up as Davy, Homecoming Queen, Sleepy Jean, Marcia Brady, and a Hippie...or Mike, and think it would be cool to meet any of you! Let me know or just look for me in the red 8-buttoned Monkees shirt and the Homecoming Queen!
Sean
From: John
Untrue report.
From: Stacey
Hey, Wendy! I was backstage too! And I think I know exactly who you were! Wow, that is so neato! Well, you aren't any of the people I thought you were, which is a good thing:) but that's a dif story entirely! Yah, me and Juliana were in the middle, but in about the 14 or so row. Did you hear us yelling? I'm sure you did, we were so excited!!:):):) Juliana was the one who just yelled out "BANJO!!!!" in the middle of all that silence, to which the guys laughed a bit and Peter said "yes, this is mister Banjo" Wee, that was us! (well, Julianna, but I was with her :)
I am like so happy now- I don't know why, but it just makes me happy to talk to someone who was at "my" concert :):)
From: **Ashley**
They started off with Train in Merrillville.
From: ajf
Hi there...can't believe that i missed out on the two chances to see the group in colorado, just wondering if anyone out there caught the show in either colorado springs or greeley colorado...if so would love to hear the deatils!
From: John
That is very interesting that you say Peter for those backgrounds. While agree that it sounds like Peter, I think it was Boyce and Hart singing background on those early cuts. I wish it was Peter. Notice on Steppin Stone that the yelling "NO" and "NO GIRL NOT ME" also sounds like Peter, but I think it is Boyce & Hart. Its a bummer but I think its true. I sumbit that question to the experts.
From: to Stacey
Hey I'm with you all the way! And really it seems like there's more younger fans than first gen. fans... not necessarily on the board but in general.
We're the young generation and we've got something to say... we're just afraid we're gonna get criticized for it.
Peace n Gleeb
From: John
I like some of those but I would say his best work appeared on JUSTUS. And you left out I'll Love You Forever.
From: Julianna Michelle
You are a great person! Fun and seriousness can follow one another and it's no law against nature! I hope you have fun here in New Mexico (considering you're not visiting T or C or someplace like that!)
From: John
Are you getting tired of answering my questions mark? I was hoping chris or cory would weigh in on some of these topics we posted today.
From: Mark T.
Stacey, give us a report on attendance at your show. How full was the venue???
From: john
Yeah. They played Take The Last Train To Merryville...
From: Fuzzy Italian
To Stacey and Tyme, I applaud you both. I have been a devoted Monkees fan for 32 years, so I am alot older than the both of you. But I have to agree with everything you both have said. I have only recently found this discussion board and have patiently read through many of the entries. Often not believing the ridiculous rules and the sometimes condecending tones towards the people who make the posts.
For Mark and those of you who agree with him...If you claim to love and respect Micky, Mike, Peter,and Davy all I have to say to you is LIGHTEN UP!!!! Yes, The Monkees have all worked very hard and often have gotten little respect from their peers, for that hard work and effort. But their fans "ALL" their fans young, and old love them and respect them. The Monkees were about young people and having fun, being carefree. I often think that a good many of us have forgotten that. Some of you may have forgotten what it was like to be young once.
Don't take life and The Monkees so seriously. Enjoy them and allow the younger fans to enjoy them too.
Discussion boards are just that; to discuss topics of all kind, in regards to The Monkees. So stop getting pissed off about this person talking about who is going to what concert, and this one talking about Blue Dork Stick,etc. If you don't want to have a real discussion board then why did you bother with this one?
From: Steph
Jennie - that is so funny! Monkee noises?! Well, the tickets were worth it right? Beth can be such a snot. I don't listen to them in the morning much since Dee Snyder took over. If she was so turned off by Peter she shouldn't have been allowed to be part of his interview the next month. I missed their comments, but I can imagine how small minded they could be. Anyone could see that from the repetion in every show. AAARRGGGHHH! Monkee haters make me mad! Open your minds people! Respect the classics!!
From: steve
I saw both shows-Greeley was full of un-appreciative goat-ropers and the setup wasn't the best, but the band was wonderful. Co Springs was the greatest. They played and laughed with each other and put on one of the best shows I've seen! So sorry you missed it! It was one to remember!
From: Steph(with torch and pitchfork in hand)
Just kidding :) I agree that Davy looks better without the mullet. I saw the BMW episode w/the 3kees the other day and he was pre-mullet then and looked great. And yes, I will jump in and defend Peter b/c I absolutely love his new spikey do! (but I won't use my pitchfork against ya) I saw a video of him a couple years back where he had slicked back his hair. It looked good, but I prefer the tousled look ;)
smiles & monkeestock ~~~Steph
From: REE
Hi Teresa
Hope you had a great vacation. Got your message about our kids listening/watching the Monkees vs. Beatles. Especially when it's their own idea!
From: Jason
Last Train was the first song played.
From: a guy from texas
hey, be nice, man. this was, is, and forever shall be, all in good fun.
From: Jason
It's just my opinion on the Oliver stuff. I agree that Star Collector or Early Morning Blues and Greens would be better.
From: Julianna Michelle
Whoever wrote about it being creepy to think that just because people don't write ALL the time, their not real fans, is exactly right! Creepy indeed! Cory is also very smart with his line of thinking and I think I agree with him the most. He has it all figured out and is exactly right. "My turf, my rules". That's exactly how most of the people on this board feel, I'm pretty sure. And you've gone a scared Ashley and Tyme off a bit too because we're the kids and we don't want to be criticized or upset the older generation. And I don't mean all of the older generation, I mean people like Mark who have this frame of mind that the Monkees don't want to joke around or be seen as sex symbols, and all of that is "Cartoonish" anyway and everyone who thinks that should be banished for all eternity from anything remotely Monkee related! I also think that we all are using the wrong word "serious", I think what we all mean is "professional". The Monkees wanted to be seen as a professional band, but serious would hint that there would be NO FUN FOR ANYBODY!!! And that is certainly not the case.
And I think what Mark wrote (even though he is probably not reading this) about the "new flavor of the week" is, for me, the most ridiculous thing I can think of. I suppose me and my friends are very "anti" in that aspect, meaning we DO NOT keep up with what is new at all. And we mostly despise what's "in" just for that reason because kids never stick to anything from week to week. The majority anyway. But did it ever occur to you that that's why we're fans of the Monkees, the Beatles, and the Doors? So that we don't have to deal with all the latest fads? I personally feel like I'm in a box and shut out from most other teens (and most other teens would agree with me), at least on the level of fashion, music, and entertainment. They think I'm weird for liking 58 year old men, and I think they don't have any real lasting satisfaction in their lives. All the kids I've met that are into the sixties scene are much more passionate and longlasting than the kids who like NSync or Limp Bizkit, by far. And I also think that not talking about them as sex symbols is ridiculous. If I were a 59 year old man, I certainly wouldn't mind being a sex symbol to 16+ year olds. And I know for a fact they LOVE IT! Or else Micky and Peter wouldn't have come on to my 19 year old blonde friend with the flat stomach and charming smile! Which they did! They love it, it's a perk. Davy, "It's not about age, it's about life." I also really avidly agree with CT. We don't mind having serious or professional conversations about them, but not every single one of them has to be! And I think Mark's response to CT was really uppity (sp?), didn't even give (her?) a chance. Mark, I honestly don't mean to sound rude, but if you have so much time on your hands and are so dedicated to this board and to the Monkees buisness side, and have searched "all over the internet" for a decent disscussion board, and obviously has a problem with the general public being let into your precious board, why don't you design your own board? Then you can make all the rules and regulations about no fun that you want. You can even make it only about their business, not what they wear to bed and not who they're married to, and kick out anybody who does. And what the heck, you can even call it "Mark's strictly Monkee Business Discussion Board"! There's an idea for you. :o) And of course since Stacey is my best friend, we share a brain and I agree with everything she said and then some!
From: suzannetigger
I love you forever is one of the few Davy songs I like, The other one's being Early Mornin blues and Greens and Star collector. But I'm getting new CD's all the time now and it's opening a whole new world of Monkeedom for me! I'm listening to that 67 cd again and I know what you mean about Micky's drummin but I gotta say the energy of this Cd is terrific!
From: wendy
i am trying to remember who you are!! i was so excited to be back there that i dont remember to many people back there. email me at wendythe1@aol.com so we can chat. much easier than doing it through this board.
From: Steph
I'm not very good at reviewing (but I'm working on it), but I was totally struck by how awesome Peter's bass playing was. I also agree with Suzannetigger that "Can't Judge a Book..." rocked! I can't believe what a rockin' song that is..only Mike, man, only Mike could rock with that twang/scream and come off sounding that awesome. I love the live stuff, I pick up different things everytime I listen - it's like opening a present :)
From: Julianna Michelle
I think I have found a new hero! And you are him! :) I don't know who this "Fuzzy Italian" is (I love that, man!) but he has it all down. Lighten up is what I'm sayin', babe! And he's right, why bother with this if you can't stand everyones choice of topics? I tell you, if all you ever talked about was the business side, you would be talking about the same things over and over and never smiling. I don't know many of you saw this recent internet chat with Mike, but you have to smile that he "ate the cyber oatmeal cookie with a glass of cyber milk" or whatever it was...come on!
Also, to defend what I wrote about not sticking with what is "in", I rarely watch TV and I never listen to the radio. Granted I have a bit of time on my hands it being summer and all, but I'm content popping in "The Birds, the Bees, and the Monkees" (or in my case putting the record on the record player which I have in my room along with my own collection of lp's) or just watching "Justus" (which I think I'll do after this :) or just scanning the net for news and information. I have no idea what is playing at the movie theatres and I don't know what the most recent popular band is. (Peter has a nice body! I've wrapped my little arms around him, I should know!) God is love!
From: suzannetigger
funny, I also thought that was Peter in the Background. I'm not sure I would recognize Boyce and Hart though unless somebody actually pointed out their voices to me.
From: CT
I am so glad you guys all think the same way i do! I was worried that everyone would think like Mark and this bored would be all about session muscians and things like that. I mean, that stuff is fine to discuss some of the time, but how many different topics can you come up with relating to it? Also, if everything pertaining to the Monkees had to be dead serious, i probably would never have become a fan. I began to like them because i saw the show and thought it was hysterical, then i got into the music. My mom and a freind of ours have gone to 4 Monkees concerts and 1 Shoe Suede Blues concert. We have tickets to 3 more concerts this summer and have tentative plans to see Micky with the Teen Idols tour. We go because the concerts are great but also because the trips are fun and a great stress reliever. We enjoyed our first concert so much that a week and a half later we traveled from NY to Las Vegas just to see them again. I also think that anyone old enough to post on this board is also mature enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality, meaning they know the Monkees are in their 50's and do not live (and have never lived) in the beach house. An age limit is not a fair way to regulate a board anyway. Not to sound stuck up, but i can think of several people over 21 who are less mature than i am. I have met people that do not believe i am only 17. I am also aware that i am not always mature, so if i have said something childish or stupid in this post or any other, i apologize. Oh Juliana, i just wanted to let you know that you were right and i am a "her" :) Gleeb, CT AKA: Tammy
From: suzannetigger
hey gals what radio station is this you listen too? Absolutely true about Monkeehaters. Actually we should feel sorry for them in their narrow little worlds with their narrow little minds they have not been enlightened at all. It's very sad really....
From: Steph
Have fun Teresa, don't worry, unless the board explodes or something we'll be here. Even if it does I'm sure we'll find our way back :) ~~Steph
From: suzannetigger
hey gals what radio station is this you listen too? Absolutely true about Monkeehaters. Actually we should feel sorry for them in their narrow little worlds with their narrow little minds they have not been enlightened at all. It's very sad really....
From: Ashley
Alright, I really don't know what to say except I agree with everything anyone has said that DOESN'T agree with Mark T . I have realized he will not change his thoughts about the things he feels and thats too bad.
I have to admit I have thought of nasty things to post back to some of the things said, but I didn't. And do you know why I didn't? Well first off, I was scared to death. Like most of you out there, I stayed out of anything I thought I would get chewed out for. I didn't feel like arguing with anybody. I didn't see any good in it. I didn't think anything was going to come out of arguing, so I didn't waste my time. Second, have some of you out there heard the saying, "IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL!" Well aparently you haven't.
Even though I'm young, I will have you know I am not some "fair-weather fan". I am not some teenybobber in love with the 20 year old Monkee's image,because,well, DUH,they're not 20 years old anymore! To tell you the truth, I was never in "love" with the Monkees as people before I heard the music like many of you. Now that I think about it, I didn't even know their names! I fell in love with the music FIRST, then the T.V. show. Somebody said something about Mark T. starting his own board. I think thats a great idea. If he finds some of the posts on this one childish and a waste of space, then I think he should go find a place where all the "serious" and "all-mighty" Monkees fans can socialize. I think all the not so "up-tight" Monkee fans on this board would greatly appciate it.
Ashley
(I just typed up this whole post and I hope I don't regret doing it)
From: suzannetigger
I too enjoy that Spikey Peter Tork look. But, I feel real stupid here folks, what is a mullet?
From: Linda R.
I'm so glad to hear all the wonderful attitudes on this board! Most of us seem to think that fun is alright, I love that! I just want to say to the younger individuals like CT, Julianna, Stacey, and Ashley: don't get discouraged about voicing your love of the Monkees, because most people agree with you or at least understand and respect your own style of "Fandom"! And if they don't, then screw those old fogies! (Look who's talking, I'm 52!) I see Mark's point, but I agree with Julianna, if he has so much time and is obviously so dedicated, and is so put out by so many pety things, he should start up his own board. I'm not discouraging him to participate in this one (just stop being a critic), but I'm encouraging him to be more involved if he has a passion for it. (Or maybe passion is too much a juvenile word...) In response to Mark basically telling me to back down seeing as how I don't post everyday... does anyone know how old Mark is? Seeing as how my daughter just gave birth to my first grandchild, I've been a bit busy. However, it sounds to me like Mark doesn't have too much happening in his life right now, because he doesn't seem to think that there's any excuse for a "real fan" not to post everyday. Hmm...grandbabies are a good distraction. And I'll have you know that I didn't forget or stop loving the Monkees during this time, as a matter of fact, when we brought him home, I made sure that the first song that he heard in his life was a Monkees song! (I gave him one with a good message so hopefully it'll enter his subconscious and he'll grow into a rather peaceful young man..."For Pete's Sake".) Oh, and a side note to Julianna, I named one of my daughters Juliana (one n) after Michael's solo song!
From: suzannetigger
I also noticed that alot of background is being done by Peter in place where Davy used to voice over himself which is great cuz it gives one more opportunity to hear peter sing. By the Way at the beginning Micky says Mike has a new guitar anyone know what kind of guitar that was? I like it's twangy sound. John?
From: Linda R.
I'm so glad to hear all the wonderful attitudes on this board! Most of us seem to think that fun is alright, I love that! I just want to say to the younger individuals like CT, Julianna, Stacey, and Ashley: don't get discouraged about voicing your love of the Monkees, because most people agree with you or at least understand and respect your own style of "Fandom"! And if they don't, then screw those old fogies! (Look who's talking, I'm 52!) I see Mark's point, but I agree with Julianna, if he has so much time and is obviously so dedicated, and is so put out by so many pety things, he should start up his own board. I'm not discouraging him to participate in this one (just stop being a critic), but I'm encouraging him to be more involved if he has a passion for it. (Or maybe passion is too much a juvenile word...) In response to Mark basically telling me to back down seeing as how I don't post everyday... does anyone know how old Mark is? Seeing as how my daughter just gave birth to my first grandchild, I've been a bit busy. However, it sounds to me like Mark doesn't have too much happening in his life right now, because he doesn't seem to think that there's any excuse for a "real fan" not to post everyday. Hmm...grandbabies are a good distraction. And I'll have you know that I didn't forget or stop loving the Monkees during this time, as a matter of fact, when we brought him home, I made sure that the first song that he heard in his life was a Monkees song! (I gave him one with a good message so hopefully it'll enter his subconscious and he'll grow into a rather peaceful young man..."For Pete's Sake".) Oh, and a side note to Julianna, I named one of my daughters Juliana (one n) after Michael's solo song!
From: Monkeescott
I just heard that the Monkees are coming to Knoxville, TN!!!! Wow! that is so close. I wonder if any of my Lexington friends will be going???? I have already been twice, so i won't get to go again. Hey Ree will you be going???
From: Ashley
I was just curious Linda, when you say "Ashley", do you mean me? I was just wondering because there are two Ashleys on here, me, and then another one who signs her posts like this:**Ashley**.Just wondering.
Ashley
From: Mark T.
John, chill out dude! Not tired of answering questions. I wouldn't post here everyday if I were! :) I'm just passing on interesting sites for fellow Monkees fans! Sheesh!
From: Julianna Michelle
You know, I don't think Natural will last very long. Not to discourage the boys or anything. I don't consider Otown a big group either. I feel rather bad about Natural getting dumped with Pearlmen because they had to have known all his bad publicity. I'm sure Nsync and Backstreet Boys have a bit of an ego now, but that doesn't mean that Pearlman doesn't have a big ego about being responsible for their fame, and therefore more likely to take advantage of them. I don't really understand how bands can be under supervisors like this, with people who aren't their real friends. Perhaps that's why the Beatles did so well (at least until Brian died) because they had great mates like Brian Epstein and George Martin looking out for their interests. You know, they didn't even have a written contract with Brian...now that's trust! Lou's greedy. And wittle Donny Kirshner is on my pissed off list so we won't even go there! (Don't you think he looks a bit like a really old porcelain doll? Creepy.)
From: Mark T.
It's Boyce and Hart doing those early backing vocals, and not Peter.
From: Stacey
Wow...so I totally love all of you and when I read all your supportive posts, I nearly cried!! I am giving all of you the biggest virtual hug imaginable right now!!
Dig it!
From: Mark T.
Plus, the guy who runs the FAQ site emailed me today asking if he could use my Set List Archive for his FAQ site, and I thought I'd give him a free plug on the board in return! It's that simple.
From: Stacey
Hey, the show in Albuquerque was AWSOME!! Actually, I was enraged to see that there were some empty seats! :( And the audience was SO BORING!!! I'm serious.....they all sat in their seats the whole time (of course except Daydream believer :|). I really REALLY hope the boring crowed didn't discourage Peter, Davy and Mick from coming back to Albequerque, though- I'd see them A MILLION more times if I had the chances!!!!
From: Rob McCabe
Dude!
That was my post! :o)
From: Stacey
Hey, the show in Albuquerque was AWSOME!! Actually, I was enraged to see that there were some empty seats! :( And the audience was SO BORING!!! I'm serious.....they all sat in their seats the whole time (of course except Daydream believer :|). I really REALLY hope the boring crowed didn't discourage Peter, Davy and Mick from coming back to Albequerque, though- I'd see them A MILLION more times if I had the chances!!!!
From: Rob McCabe
You saw the Monkees in 1976? Are you sure it wasn't "Dolenz Jones Boyce and Hart"? Mike was on his solo career in '76 and Peter was teaching high school that year.
Rob
From: Stacey
You know, I've noticed over a little bit of time that Mike has an incredibly extensive vocabulary!! I really enjoy it though, because I mean, the art of language can be so amazing...a prime example: "Startled eyes that sometimes see phantasmagoric splendour. Pirhouette down palmsied paths with pennies for the vendor." (That's from Daily Nightly if you didn't know) Not only did he use some nice alitteration in there, but who uses words like "Phantasmagoric" in a song?? That was the first time I ever even HEARD of that word! And another perfect example of his great language/vocab usage is in Naked Persimmon: "Well the devil incarnate was runnin' music supervison. Put me into a state of cataleptic euphemism..." What the heck is a cataleptic euphemism?? Oh but I love it!! It just seems that not many song writers (except TOOL, they also have a very extended vocabulary at times!) use language as a true art these days. Hooray for Michael!! Hooray a lot...: )
From: Rob McCabe
You saw the Monkees in 1976? Are you sure it wasn't "Dolenz Jones Boyce and Hart"? Mike was on his solo career in '76 and Peter was teaching high school that year.
Rob
From: Nicole
Why the Mankato (yes, it's Mankato, not Nankato) show in Minnesota was cancelled. I checked this site a week before it happened, and probably could've gone, but then I saw the cancelled and was literally heartbroken. I've always wanted to see the Monkees live.
~~~Nicole~~~
From: Mark
Yes, as you can see, I credited the post as being from AMM, where you originally posted it!
From: Nicole
Why the Mankato (yes, it's Mankato, not Nankato) show in Minnesota was cancelled. I checked this site a week before it happened, and probably could've gone, but then I saw the cancelled and was literally heartbroken. I've always wanted to see the Monkees live.
~~~Nicole~~~
From: Mark
Yes I know, as you can see, I credited the post as being from AMM, where you originally posted it!
From: METALMADEN
Does anyone know what ever happened to Bert Schneider and Bob Rafelson? I was just wondering. Also, I am the one who wrote "A Little Trivia." I will be going to the Atlantic City show on July 21st. Anyone else going?
From: Tyme
All in all I loved "Live 67", (my father gave it to me as a reward for making national honor society) Does any one else notice that when the guys are singing that some of the words in the songs are mumbled like they forgot them. Any comments?
Tyme
From: METALMADEN
Does anyone know what ever happened to Bert Schneider and Bob Rafelson? I was just wondering. Also, I am the one who wrote "A Little Trivia." I will be going to the Atlantic City show on July 21st. Anyone else going?
From: Micky's Monkee
Oh, really? How close were you? I was on the left about row D. It was amazing. I know how you feel! I traveled from Lincoln. I was going to go to North Platte but I'm thinking that because it's a fair ground the show wouldn't be as good as the in-theatre ones turn out! They are so amazing! I'm still dreaming. Expenses will also keep us from going to the one in North Platte. I live in Hastings.
From: Chris Coyle
Not sure why the show was cancelled. But you have to be forwarded..shows are not always set in stone. Changes do occur, sometimes it's out of the Monkees why they occur. It's not always due to poor ticket sales. Don't worry..the chance will come again.
Chris
From: Rob McCabe
"So far, Natural has gotten the slot on the tour while the Monkees have gotten nothing."
Mark, I think what you meant to say was tht Natural is getting the best push out of the tour while the Monkees aren't.
Like Matt pointed out, I wonder how much of the new release's "low-key"-ness is sue to the fact that Rhino owns the name and the rights to the Monkees output. I imagine if a major label or someone like Lou Pearlman was interested in making a deal with MDP as the Monkees that it would be a nightmare to negotiate simply because licensing fees would have to paid to Rhino. A fee that might not be negotiable, hence why the 2001 disc is credited to "Peter Tork, Davy Jones and Micky Dolenz".
I just had a brainstorm that I'd like to brng before Mark, Chris and anyone else too. I find it hard to believe that a major record label would not have been interested back in 1996 in a new Monkees album featuring all four guys. Perhaps that is why JUSTUS came out on Rhino. In order to put out an album as the Monkees, it had to be on the label that essentially owns the name. Am I somewhat on the ball here? Was the possibility of shopping JUSTUS to the major labels ever considered? The Monkees may not have respect from the rock press, but the actual industry itself wouldn't pass up the chance to sell a reunion no matter how well-respected an artist may be.
I am grateful for Rhino for doing great work on the reissues and the box sets, but I am now beginning to understand why Davy Jones has such hostility towards the company.
Rob
From: Chris Coyle
I'm glad I was able to convince you LOL..anyway I know you will enjoy .
The Televison Parts video is a 45m sample from the short lived series on NBC. It is of the same format of "Elephant Parts". The good thing is, it throws out the guest stars music videos and only includes Mikes. The skits are not as good as EP, and Mike is not always a part of them, I havent watched it in years. The "Newer Stuff" cd includes the music from EP and TP and songs from Videoranch that never made it to production.
Enjoy!
Chris
From: Rob McCabe
hehe :o)
A mullet is a hairstyle that was popular in the 80's. Especially amoung white males. It is hair that is short on the the top (no bangs) but is long and flowing in the back. It is considered now in our "more enlightened times" ;o) to be very much confined to whate trailer trash. Davy's spring 2001 was not as frightening as the mullet he sported during the 80's and early 90's (which wasn't half as scary as the Miami Vice style fashions that Micky, Davy and Peter wore in the 80's, but I digress!) Davy was sporting a very sensible yet cool haircut in the MO shows over the weekend. He looked good.
Rob
From: Chris Coyle
Stacey,
Seek out the book Total Control:The Story of Michael Nesmith. It includes a glossery at the end of all Mike's fancy vocabulary words..it's nuts!! LOL
Chris
From: Tyme
Just cruisin' the web in my loneliness, came across pics from the ABC special. Where does one locate a copy of the ABC special? It exists right?
Tyme
From: Mark T.
Hmmmmm, well, Linda.....I'm 28 years old. I'm a college graduate with a double degree. I work Monday through Friday, 9-5. My family has a beach house that I stay at on the weekends. I'm also working on a masters degree but am taking the summer off. When it comes to my free time, it is spent with my buddies and family, on the internet or up at the recreation park running, which I love to do for exercise. How does that ruffle your feathers? Since you think I'm a two year old, or maybe a 30 year old loser with no life except for one on the internet, that ought to set the record straight.
Though I said I wouldn't respond to any more of this, I just couldn't help myself after Linda's post. You all still don't get it. I'm not saying we can't have fun on this board, and never once did I say that we had to talk about who played what instrument on what song during every thread on this board!!!! DUH! I would hate that myself! All I said was that this board should stay an intelligent place to discuss the Monkees as a band, TV Show, touring group, etc., without all of the silly excesses that have sunk other boards into an oblivion. I know there are others here that feel the same way I do, and I'm glad I have spoken up for that reason.
And what courage does it take to post any message on this board? Ashley, you tell me one time I ever responded in a nasty manner to any of your posts. Go ahead, tell me one. Check the archives if you please. The best part about this board was sharing my knowledge of the Monkees (which I know just as well as my area of concentration in school!) with everyone here to clear up questions and curiosities about one of my favorite past times. Take for instance Sue, who has been here since day one. She is a longtime fan, but had some detailed questions about the Monkees that she posted along the way. I'd love her questions because they were great to answer and I always enjoyed letting people in on stuff about the Monkees. Heck, we even emailed off the list at one time regarding Monkees stuff. So, Ashley, your point has no basis.
There are some light hearted souls here whose hearts go a flutter when any sort of critical disdain is leveled upon them. In that regard, there is nothing I can do. Well, yes there is...you ought to get ready for it because life is full of criticism. Linda, you're 52, you ought to know that by now. I certainly would never hide behind a faceless message board saying that I'm too afraid to post anything. What a laugh.
Linda, you say become more involved here on this board? Obviously you are never here much. I'm one of the people that posts the most on this board. I check the discussion out nightly and post away until I've responded to every message I want to respond to. Go check the archives. Until then, back off and get your facts straight.
From: suzyque
Well.........I saw two monkees (sorry) It was Dolenz, Jones, Boyce and Hart. Micky was in a sling and wore some headdress with a fake snake around his neck when he performed Steppin Stone. I didn't mean to mislead--guess I'm a little daft lol
From: Fuzzy Italian
Thanks for agreeing with me. I believe that there are too many Monkees Discussion boards that are way too serious. You have to be able to laugh and joke around sometimes. Otherwise if you only talk about The Monkees and their careers then you've lost the whole meaning of what they were/are about. Come on now, even the Monkees themselves make fun of The Monkees and have joked around about people who take them too seriously. I have heard Micky Dolenz, and I truly adore and respect this man, say to some of his fans "Have you ever thought about Monkees Anonymous?" He knows better than anyone about people getting carried away, and getting way too serious. By the way Julianna, This Fuzzy Italian is a female,hehehehe. No offense taken. SEE YA!!!
From: Steph- to suzannetigger
I heard the stage banter on WHCN (I think it's 105.9fm) and the radio show with snotty Beth is on 104.1fm. I do thank them for that great interview with Peter though. And you're right about feeling sorry for the narrow mindedness of the monkee bashers. They really don't know what they are missing.
From: Fuzzy Italian
Ashley, you did a brave thing speaking your peace. You have that right to state your thoughts and your opinions. I'm proud of you, and of all the others who have spoken up about the unfairness and narrow minded attitude of several people on this board. And I agree with you too, perhaps Mark really should start his own discussion board. I feel really sorry for him because, obviously he has forgotten all about his youth and what being young and happy was all about.
I am a fighter and I don't allow ANYONE to tell me how to think or what to say, and I don't care who you are. If you don't like it tough! I answer to only two people God and myself. I am not a mean person, but this board has gotten absolutely ridiculous with what you can and can't say. Unfortunately, it really isn't the only Monkees board out there, that is like this.
I am 39 years old.I have loved the Monkees since I was 6. So don't anybody dare tell me what a Monkees fan should think or how a Monkees fan should behave. I personally think Micky Dolenz was hot and sexy when he as in his twenties, and I find him even hotter and sexier now that he's in his fifties. Oh and by the way, I'll be at the Sterling Heights concert tomorrow night, row QQ. You gotta a problem with that remark Mark?
From: Mark Thompson
Tyme, the '97 ABC special does not exist as an official video tape release. I'm afraid your only bet to find it is if someone would be able to make a copy of it for you.
From: cory
Rafelson's been in a 25 year slump (with bombs like "Man Trouble" & "Blood & Wine"); Schneider hasn't done anything substantial since "Days of Heaven" in 1978. For more details, look them up at the Internet Movie Database site: www.imbd.com (a great, definitive site!).
From: Steph
Thanks john!! I was also able to lend support to another fav show that has since passed into the world of repeats and horrible time slots -- FREAKAZOID!! Ok, so it's a cartoon, so what? Ok, so I was like 18 when I started watching but so what?
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I read some of the comments on the site, and although I don't feel they jumped the shark (or even explored their full potential) I can see where younger audiences were turned off by the psychadelic and "artsy" influences that cropped up in the second season. It did have a slightly different feel to it, and while I enjoyed it totally I can see where the kids the network were targeting would be left saying "huh?"
From: cory
My Two Cents: I'm not all that crazy about the "TV Parts" tape - not nearly as good as "Elephant Parts" (either comedically or musically). I AM, however, a fan of "Dr. Duck's Super Secret All-Purpose Sauce", which doesn't have much music, has some very funny bits by Nez & people like Garry Shandling (Seinfeld, Whoopi, Bobcat Goldthawit, & others also appear).
From: monkeedoodle
Hi! MonkeeScott told me about this board, and I wanted to ask if anyone was going to Steamboat Days this Sunday to see the Monkees. I'm driving a loooong way to get there, and it would be awesome to meet some other Monkee fans there.
Peace,
'Manda
From: DEB
I SAW THE SHOW IN GREELEY AND THOUGHT IT WAS AWESOME!!! I ENJOYED IT SO MUCH
From: Mark Thompson
You've got some great points here, Rob. Thinking back to '95/'96, I never remember hearing that the Monkees were shopping around for a label to release their then new album on. It was always going to be Rhino. If I recall correctly, when the Monkees were reunited in 1995 in Los Angeles to receive Multi-Platinum awards for their first five albums, there had been talk about a reunion album at that gathering, and I believe Harold Bronson, who is the chief at Rhino, said something to the effect that Rhino would fund the project completely if the guys wanted to go through with it. (Chris...does this sound right?)
However, I believe Rhino has some sort of affiliation with Atlantic Records (a major label) and that there was talk that JUSTUS would be released on the Rhino label BUT promoted by the Atlantic promotional company, which would give the album a much higher profile. When I read that, I got excited because I thought that there would be a heavy, heavy push for JUSTUS. This did not come to be.
That's not to say that there wasn't a lot of initial hype for the album when it came out. There were the front page cover stories on the band in the LA Times and USA Today, that were nationally syndicated. There were a plethora of interviews on CNN and other news and entertainment outlets. The album was also reviewed in People Magazine. And of course, the Billboard Live club performance of all four Monkees received a great amount of press, as I remember CNN doing a spot on it during their nightly news broadcast, amongst others.
I understand David's frustrations with Rhino. But then again there is the fact that the Monkees are just not the most commercially viable act out there today. I mean, even artists like the Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart, etc. etc. have trouble getting people into their 'new' music. The problem is that a majority of those artists' fan base are no longer the base of people who go out and buy CDs. And that tends to hurt their sales power. This is also a problem for the Monkees. I believe that factor was one of the big reasons for the lack of enthusiasm for JUSTUS from the general public.
As far as JUSTUS goes and the hype surrounding it, perhaps it's bad in that regard that the Monkees have done so much work together in the last 15 years. When labels heard that there was going to be 'another' reunion of the Monkees in 1996, the magical feeling of '86 had eroded and the industry shrugged its shoulders. In my opinion, the only real viable time to have had a smash Monkees reunion album was if all four (or even just the trio) had recorded a new album and released it right before the start of the 20th Anniversary Tour in 1986. (Instead, the "Then and Now" album was available at the start of the tour, which ended up going Platinum! Let's also not forget that "That Was Then, This Is Now" was a national Top 20 hit and received heavy airplay on MTV.)
I find it hard to believe that Rhino couldn't at least sit down at the bargaining table to work out licensing problems, for instance, with Pearlman and TransAtlantic regarding the national release of a Live CD. The bottom line is money, and I'm sure Rhino wouldn't mind having a major label release to help promote their back catalog of Monkees albums. But, who knows....business and copyrights are a tricky combo.
It's my wish that the Monkees, with or without Mike, would sit down and seriously record a new album and release it nationally, even if it is on Rhino. I'm more relegated now to the thought that it doesn't look like that it's going to happen. I'm also less concerned with the commerical success of a proposed new album. Hell, the Monkees have sold millions of albums and have had many #1's. Sure, it would be icing on the cake for a new Monkees album or song to be Top 40, but at this point it's unrealistic. It's not because the Monkees are not capable of producing a good product, it's because of the industry and the fact that times have changed, and the mass teen market would not propel the Monkees to #1 today like they did 30 years ago. It's somebody else's turn now. That's not the Monkees' fault. Heck, the Stones and McCartney are not sure-fire #1's anymore either. (Though McCartney did go to #2 last month with "Wingspan"). Heck, if legends like Jagger and McCartney can't keep up that chart success, we shouldn't feel too bad for the Monkees! :)
The heck with the chart placing, I, like everyone else, would probably just be as happy having a new album to get into, much like we did with JUSTUS five years ago.
From: DEB
I SAW THE SHOW IN GREELEY AND THOUGHT IT WAS AWESOME!!! I ENJOYED IT SO MUCH
From: ryeman
suzy-you're not daft. You never said in your post you saw the monkees. You said,"the last time you saw any of them perform together". Hang in there.
From: saturdayschild
Hi metal,
I am going to the Trump Marina show on the 21st and the PNC show on the 12th!
From: just-ice
i was checking out the new section and accidentally clicked on the new bit about natural and was dragged to their little web site (as you may have guessed, i am NOT a fan of natural). anyway, while i was there, i thought i'd look around a bit. i thought it was incredibly lame of them to not say anything about the monkees on the tour section of the site. the way it's set up, it looks like natural has their very own summer tour. what does everybody else think? did i just miss where they mentioned the monkees?
From: saturdayschild
Hi Sean,
I am going to both NJ shows, I will look for you guys in your costumes!!
Deb
From: davyhitmefirst
Mark, I have a front-row seat for Ringo's show on Aug. 31...I'll let ya know if there are any Fishof touches-
Peace- DHMF
From: **Ashley**
Hey you're gonna be @ the concert too?! Wow I guess Michigan isn't really that boring... what section are you in? I'm in 200 (center - whoohoo!). I hope to meet you and everyone else that's gonna be there that I've "met" on this board... at least something good has come out of it.
Peace n Gleeb
From: Mark T.
Yes, I noticed that there is no Monkees mention on their website. Again, it's as if Pearlman is just feeding off the Monkees like leaches just to get his act some press. There is simply no justice in this situation! :)
From: concerned person
Stacey, Peter Tork is old enough to be your grandfather! You are 15 years old and you have no idea about what you are saying. Nsync is more within your age group and terms of sexy. Don't be in such a hurry to grow up.
From: davyhitmefirst
Rhino put more money into JUSTUS than they had ever put into an album at that time. In addition, Rhino is seen by most in the industry as a major label, because it is distributed by WEA, one of the five "majors" and is solicited to retail by the WEA sales reps - Rhino product gets just as big a push as any other WEA label.
I think JUSTUS just came out at the wrong time - everybody was turning to alternative/grunge, and reunions just weren't a big deal at that point in time. I happen to love it and consider it one of the most underrated albums ever.
Peace- DHMF
From: concerned person
Stacey, Peter Tork is old enough to be your grandfather! You are 15 years old and you have no idea about what you are saying. Nsync is more within your age group and terms of sexy. Don't be in such a hurry to grow up.
From: Ashley
Ok,I haven't been here in awhile and I kindof of jumped into this post and it's talking hairdos. Just a LITTLE confused, but really, I'll be okay. To **Ashley**, I'm an Ashley too and I also will be going to the Sterling Heights show. We have 6th row. See ya there! : )
Ashley
From: Jennie
Or even his other book, The Long Sandy Hair of Neftoon Zamora. I'm the kind of person that can't just pass over a word that I don't know...I have to look it up and learn to use it, because I'm stubborn like that. Any time that I sat down to read Neftoon Zamora, I always had a pad ready to write down any interesting words. His use of vocabulary is beautiful.
From: Mark J.
Thank you, John! For YEARS I have told my brother that it sounded like Peter doing backups on Steppin' Stone! (Just doesn't sound like typical Micky.) My brother would just laugh and joke with the lyrics: "NO GIRL, NOT PETE!"
From: I believe you
Jeebus, Mark! Didn't you *read* Linda's post? She said she didn't have time to post obsessively as often as you do! Your post was condescending and uncalled for, not all of us have the luxury to respond to "every little post", nor do we have detailed questions for YOU to answer, and I'm glad Brad didn't make it a rule to have to copy your example.
From: Mark J.
I have a video of their '87 stop in Indianapolis & they did Zor And Zam. Pretty cool, too: they played the Head "War Chant"/explosions, then Micky started with the sticks during the fade out.
From: cory
As The Monkees were both serious and silly, why can't this board be similarily bi-polar? I take the group VERY seriously, but see room for more light-hearted posts (I was the one who started the "Which Monkee has aged best?" thread). The guys were artists, but were also teen idols & we should be grateful that they were or they wouldn't have had the luxury popularity affords to grow as artists. These teeny-boppers who care more (or, at least, as much) about how sexy Peter than about serious critique-ing & group dynamic analysis are supplying the funds that pave the way for more & more of the Monkee product that us "serious" fans thrive on. What I'm saying is that we're in this thing together - the young & the old, the serious & the silly - and we should do everything we can to encourage participation & let those outside the community, thinking of joining the community, & The Monkees themselves, know that we're out here. There's room for everybody & the fly-by-nighters will fade away in due time (or, as I've said before, dig past the pretty teen idol surface & explore things like who played on which track, etc. And, I think we should do all we can to put positivity out there & learn to ignore, rather than criticize. I know when one post-er in the early days argued that I wasn't a "true fan", I was stung for days - or when one guy ridiculed one of my thread attempts, I thought about moving on. I'd hate to have someone, whose heart is more than likely genuinely in the right place, feel the same way.
From: Mark J.
Looked like Chicago's House of Blues was starting to fill in around 7:45... Unfortunately, I couldn't stick around for the show. (Security was nice enough to let me in just to buy the live CD.) My wallet has really been hurting lately from concerts, but it killed me to not be Hangin' 'Round for the show. (Kind of odd really to have The Monkees do a S.R.O. show anyway!) Reviews/info anyone?
From: cory
While I think Mark's been a bit harsh, I do like & respect him and don't like to see all the Mark-bashing. But if he thinks "Blue Dork Stick" posts make the board look bad, all this in-fighting (which he clearly initiated) makes us look worse. Can we just call a truce & start talking about the group again? I say we let all this angst go & have a FRESH START. The tone of the board cannot be enforced and I don't believe should be. Let's just stay true to ourselves, post what we feel, & see how it develops. If the board becomes not what you had hoped, grieve a little bit & either move on or make the best of it. There is enough room for everybody.
From: brad@monkees.net
excuse me, but Mel who runs the FAQ is a female!
From: Estrella
Here's a link on Bob Rafelson from 1998, near the bottom it mentions him working on "Poodle Springs" for HBO, couldn't find anything more recent:
http://www.filmfestivals.com/cannes98/starsus7.htm
I think Schneider is still working for Columbia as a suit, but can't be sure about that.
From: Chris Coyle
John,
Mark beat me to them.. sorry busy with the house and the move.
Chris
From: john
More than the in-fighting, isn't this screwed up format making the board look bad? I can't even tell who the posts are from. The posts are mashed on top of each other like they're mating. And ALL of mine are highlighted, so I can't tell what I've read. We should all send a polite email to Brad. It deters me from posting. Very frustrating.
In any event, we all need to stop with the personal attacks and share the Monkeelove. Fav song this week: SUNNY GIRLFRIEND.
From: Chris Coyle
Tyme,
Rhino has yet to find it dear in their hearts to release it to the general public. There were some rights to broadcast it world wide for a year after the Feb 1997 date it originally aired on ABC. At some point Rhino said it would be released after those rights ran out. Still waiting..LOL Wonder if VH-1 will ever pick it up? I almost doubt it, only because it's really lame.
Anyway, I have a VHS copy. I'm over my head in boxes from moving, and just packed all my VHS tapes away ( don't ask how many boxes that took, still getting the evil eye from my wife), but maybe after I dig myself out of this mess,over the next few weeks,I can dub you a copy.
Chris
From: Ashley
I'll be there too! 6th row.
Ashley
From: **Ashley**
I ordered a copy of the ABC special (you mean the movie that Mike wrote/directed right?) from Mitch Nozka. I'll have to find his email when I get back froms school. LoL =P Well for $9 he will fill a 6 hr. tape of anything Monkees. He has all the eppies plus documentaries, Head, and commercials.
From: Ashley
The last post I wrote says, Re:Natural web site, I didn't want it to say that. Geez, this message board is really messed up, isn't it?
Ashley
From: Bron
I'm sure it was shown over here in the UK too... I saw it in the USA... is there nay way we can get Rhino to release it? I think peoplw will buy it - even my Boyfriend (who aint a Monkees fan) enjouyed the ABC special BRON
From: Rita
Thanks, Cory!!!
From: saturdayschild
Has anyone come up with an explanation for the listing in Pollstar for July 21st? Trump Marina has told me that The Monkees are performing there on the 21st at 8:30PM. Are they going to be in Buffalo earlier in the day or what?
From: Ashley
I never said that YOU said anything nasty to ME. I was WORRIED you would if I posted anything about my opinions because of how you acted toward some of the other people.
Ashley
From: Mark T.
Maggie McManus of Monkee Business Fanzine has confirmed that both shows WILL take place on the same day.
From: Ashley
I never said that YOU said anything nasty to ME. I was WORRIED you would if I posted anything about my opinions because of how you acted toward some of the other people.
Ashley
From: Mark T.
Woops.....my apologies! :(
From: Fuzzy Italian
I'll be there!!! I'm in section 100. Micky's side YEAH!!!! Hope to meet you and everyone else! See Ya Tomorrow!!!
From: Monkees Concert - HOB Myrtel Beach, SC
Is anyone going to this concert? I've got tickets but I'm afraid they're not very good. I made my ticket order in less that 30 minutes after they went on sale but still ended up in the cheap seats. Oh well; at least I'm going!
From: cory
Nicole,
I feel your pain - I had 3rd row seats for that show (by the way, in '96, I was lucky enough to have front row seats at the same venue and, if I remember correctly, they had a good turn-out then). As far as WHY it was cancelled this year, there may have been a scheduling conflict with, I kid you not, a SEWING CONVENTION!
From: saturdayschild
Thanks, Mark!
Deb
From: Dan Lafferty
I couldn't agree more....except for the fact that once someone "says what they feel", it's all going to start again.
Mark, if you're reading this....I think you have some great things to say and you're lots of fun to exchange ideas with....but we're talking about the Monkees. Taking things too seriously and refusing to have a sense of humor is what's causing the fighting, and it's the reason (along with the frustrating technical difficulties) that I haven't posted at all the last couple of days. I just got sick of it.
I would like to know that I can say something silly or fun in the spirit of good times and on-line friendship without being attacked for...God forbid...making the Monkees look silly. This isn't, after all, a Holocaust Memorial Message Board.
I will continue to be popping in and will respond to anything that *I* consider worth discussing.
Thanx, all.
Danny
From: **Ashley**
I'll come visit you... I have row 41... which bites.
From: Chris Coyle
Cory,
I'm with you..life is too short..
Peace love and The Monkees..
Chris
From: suzyque
From: Dan Lafferty
Hi all,
I'm not trying to pressure anyone or start a trend here...But since I think lots of us really dig reading each other's posts and it just isn't always satisfying enough, I want you all to know that if you wanna chat or e-mail, I'd love to hear from you guys!
I'm deliriummadness@aol.com
E-mail or IM me anytime.
Danny
From: suzyque
OK..showing my ignorance, I suppose. What is AMM?
From: Stacey
Oh no...I know EXACTLY what I'm saying!! I'm fully aware that Peter (and Micky and Mike for that matter) is old enough to be my grandfather, and you know what...? I DON'T CARE!! I still think he's sexy!! I'm not trying to grow up too fast by thinking that he's good looking, nice, and a great musician in general!! Besides, you should be grateful that I'm not sitting here going "Justin Timberlake is so DREAMY!! **GIGGLE!!!***!!"
"It's not about age, it's about life" -Davy Jones
"Age only matters if you're cheese"-Micky Dolenz
From: john
I think that Peter's comment is a joke. I think Mike is playing his favorite (Gibson?)hollow body 12 string electric. You can see it in almost all the Monkee's episodes. A twelve string is notoriously difficult to keep in tune. You'll notice that Mike is constantly tuning it during the concert. Which leads Peter to comment that Mike has a new guitar "he doesn't understand yet".
From: Stacey
You may have never replied in a hotile manner to one of Ashley's posts, but you have to one of MINE and Julianna's, which would give her reason to believe that you might do the same for her. There's definitely no call for all this hostility.
From: john
Dude I am SO with you on those Miami Vice duds the guys wore in the 80's. They were un-called for. I thought Davy's simple white shirt black pants look was very tasteful and appropriate for a 50 something rocker. He still looks good. I would love to see the old red 8 button shirts return.!!
From: Stacey
Good idea, Dan! If any of you ever want to e-mail me, I don't get much, so I'd certainly welcome more! :)
bungalo_bill@hotmail.com
From: **Ashley**
I'm with ya on the 8-button shirts. Mike designed those right?
From: marirose
First generation Monkee fan, 46 yrs old, started loving them in '66 in Arizona, was transplanted to Virginia in '94, recently relocated to Louisiana. No, Cindy, AZ isn't the armpit of the world. You've never been to Louisiana!
From: Mark T.
Hey Suzy, AMM is alt.music.monkees. It's a newsgroup. I believe you have to have Netscape to get it. My Internet Explorer does not have a 'Newsgroup' option.
If you have Netscape, open it, look at the top for "Communicator" and click on it...then find NEWSGROUPS. Subscribe to alt.music.monkees (it's free), and there you go.
Or actually, click on the link below then click on the second line where it says MONKEES USENET DISCUSSION GROUP. That might be easier.
AMM is not as cool as this discussion board..it's often filled with crappy discussion on everything BESIDES the Monkees, but sometimes there can be some good threads to check out.
From: Reebug66
I will be there on July 6th, I have great streets and was just wondering if anyone else will be there as well. Really looking forward to it!!!
From: Tyme
Chris,
That would be totally cool of you to do that for me if you find it. let me know the details of some sort of arrangment that can be made.
Tyme
From: Reebug66
I will be there on July 6th, I have great streets and was just wondering if anyone else will be there as well. Really looking forward to it!!!
From: Mark T.
Gene Ashman, the wardrobe designer for the Monkees, designed the 8 button shirts as far as I can remember.
He did them again for the guys during the 1987 tour. Here's a pic of the guys with Weird Al Yankovic and the 8 button shirts from '87!!!
http://monkees.net/picframe.asp?Image=jpg/4monkees.jpg
From: Reebug66
Anyone planning to attend the Monkees concert in Knoxville, TN? I am going to be there with bells on. I have great seats and am really looking forward to it!! This is my third Monkees concert, I can't wait!! Just wondering if anyone else was planning on being there as well.
From: Mark T.
If anyone has the album "20th Anniversary Tour 1986", check out the back cover again to see the Monkees in their '80s clothes! Whew! What were they thinking???!?!?! ;-)
From: Christi
I thought I would give my info also. I love chatting so stop by sometime and say HI!
AIM: comicchicyork Yahoo: comicchicyork2000
and my email addy is comicchicyork@yahoo.com
hope to talk to ya soon!
Miss Blue Dork Stick
From: Jennie
I was talking to a couple of girls at the Lowell, MA Monkees concert in March, and they were only there to see Natural! One of the Natural guys is from Natick, MA, which isn't too far from Lowell, so I guess that's why they knew about Natural (???) but they were completely oblivious to the fact that the Monkees were even there! It was like they had blinders on or something. I asked one of them if they liked the Monkees, also, and she said "well, I don't know, I've never heard them..." Kinda like they weren't even there!!! I don't know how you can just overlook 2 and 1/2 hours of music right in front of your face...
From: Ashley
I totally agree with you and everyone eles who wants a fresh start. I do feel like this is a great message board and I don't want to lose or ruin it.
Ashley
From: Estrella
Davy had a story about the door at the Fox Theatre, like the celebrities write stuff such as "so-so was here" on it and he said he wrote "What a big door!"
From: Ashley
I also agree with you and everyone eles who wants a fresh start. I think this is a great message board, and I don't want to lose or ruin it.
Ashley
From: Teresa in Texas
Wow, just yesterday, my daughter and I were listening to Saturday's Child and she said, "What do they say about Wednesday?" And I told her "you'll live your life apart now." "Oh, that's sad, because I was born on Wednesday," she said. So sweet! :)
From: Ashley
If you (or anybody eles going) wants to find me in the crowd, I'll have on a blue glo bracelet. LOL Just if ya wanted to know. :) See everybody tomorrow!
Ashley
From: Estrella
According to bisons.com, the baseball game is scheduled to begin at 2:05 EDT, and The Monkees are supposed to play *after* the game. It's hard to say if both concerts will be a regular concert, or if the Trump Marina gig will be pushed a few hours ahead.
From: Christi
Well, my computer has bit the dust. I haven't been online in a week and was getting all excited to read what was new on the board. I see that all this age and serious crap is still going on. Or went on whatever. I also see that the format is still screwed up and I have no idea what posts I should be reading. Thats not a big deal, I just look at the dates. But all this bickering stuff is enough. I thought all of it was covered a month or so ago and we all decided that we would be who we want to be, the Monkees fans we want to be, and post whatever we want to post. I'm sorry some of us still can't figure out what all that means, but come on.
Peace Gleeb and BLUE DORK STICKS!!!!!!!!! Christi
From: Chris Coyle
Yeah both concerts same day..this isn't something new, The Beach Boys use to do it all the time. Amazing what airplanes can do huh?
Chris
From: Christi
I don't know if anyone else is excited as I am, but I can't wait for this show. Not only does it start my week vacation from work, but i get to meet some of you people off here. I think it will be awesome. I am leaving tonight(6-hour drive) so I won't be rushed tomorrow. I am staying at a hotel very close to the park, so maybe the guys will be there. (wishful thinking). Anywhoo, can't wait to get there. I will be sure to visit row QQ and all you folks sitting there!
Peace Gleeb and BLUE DORK STICKS Christi
From: Rocker
Thank you. Pleasant Valley Sunday is one of their great ones. I'll always remember when they played that one on the show because the Monkees were starting to look more like hippies. I love how the song ends with the psychedelic drone. It's funny how quickly things changed back then. In a little over a year the boys went from happy kids to cynical adults in the movie Head. In 1967 they were the number one band in America, by 1969 they were almost off the map. But the great tunes will always live on! I remember that in around 1982 MTV was playing the video "Sunset Sam" by Mike Nesmith which was a great song. And an excellent video too. Within a few years the Monkees were back on the road and the Billboard charts. Every generation seems to rediscover those great hits from '67.
From: Mark T.
Sounds good to me, Cory.
From: saturdayschild
I guess they're doing Buffalo in the afternoon, after the baseball game, and then Trump's in the evening. Trump Marina told me that the show starts at 8:30PM. I wonder how long they will play in Buffalo.
From: Mark T.
Sounds good to me, Cory.
From: Mark T.
LOL! Davy's still telling that story huh?!?! :-)
From: Mark T.
Didn't Schneider show up at the Hollywood Walk of Fame presentation in '89 and subsequently tick off Davy because he was taking pictures and hogging camera time with the guys?
From: **Ashley**
Those girls are just lucky I wasn't there cuz I woulda bombarded them w/ tons of Monkees info and they woulda been there for another 3 hours.
From: Mark T.
Believe it or not, the Monkees' 35th (wow!) Anniversary is this September. What a great excuse for the Monkees to try and do something that will garner some media attention.
If I were Fishof, which I'm obviously not, I would have tried to book Radio City Music Hall for a concert to celebrate this milestone. Late last year when this whole latest reunion was being put together, there was talk of having a concert TV special. Well, this would have been the perfect opportunity.
If Radio City could be pulled off, I'd do all I could to try and smooth over whatever harsh feelings are left between the trio and Nez. Having all four present would be a must. The concert could be aired live or on tape, but would include guest appearances by television and music personalities influenced by the Monkees over the last 35 year---either through video pieces, audience appearances or even guesting live onstage. How about the actress who played Marcia Brady be present for "Girl"? I mean, it's a start at least.
I again say that I'm not Fishof, but how many think one of us SHOULD BE Fishof?!?! We've got all the ideas, and he's got ZILCH.
I really do think this sort of idea could have been sold to a network. There is a market for the Monkees. Plus, nostalgia is a big thing today, and a live performance hyped as a big 'anniversary concert' (with all four) would probably go over better than the half-baked '97 TV Special did.
From: **Ashley**
I'm a Thursday and I'm gonna break your heart.
From: Mark T.
I will also say it's ashame that if there is any sort of private celebration for the 35th Anniversary, it doesn't look like all four will be together to share it.
Of course, the 20th Anniversary was celebrated by the Greek Theater concert followed by a private party.
In Dec. 1986, all four Monkees gathered for a private part with family, friends and the touring troops in a New York City club to celebrate the end of the 20th Anniversary Reunion Tour. I've got a great picture of the guys together at that club....always neat to take a look at it.
In 1996, another private party was held for all four Monkees to celebrate year #30.
What does everyone think year #35 will hold in store come September?
From: Chris Coyle
Rhino made The Monkees put JUSTUS out on their label because they ended up paying for the sessions. They insisted on getting their money back. Do you blame them there?
Rhino had just made a new distribution deal w/ Atlantic Records. At one point JUSTUS almost came out on Atlantic. But we know who put it out instead ,and without any good marketing at that.
If this was 1986/87 Justus would of sold more just on the fact it was a full reunion. By 1996, the interest was a little waning by then, I'm not sure what any other label could of done besides putting out a single and watching NO ONE play it. Would any other label put money into these guys? That is a hard question to answer.
I'm starting to wonder what Rob says about the possible nightmare it might be to get Rhino to turn over the name for use on those Natural recordings. I'm believing this could very well be a factor.
The main reason the new live CD is titled w/o the logo and name, besides the Rhino involment, is they can line their pocktes with more money upfront, and Fishof get's a bigger cut... heh?
Chris
From: cory
Well, we can dream, Mark...
It would be great publicity (if, indeed there is anything to publicize come September), to smooth things over with Mike & do a One-Night only commemoration concert, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. My cynical prediction is that the guys hate each other by Septmeber & by Christmas, Micky will again be referring to Fishof as their "sleazy wannabe" produdcer, which is what I believe he calls Fishof in his biography.
From: Chris Coyle
Rhino did indeed put more money into JUSTUS then any product before. Hell the sales of Pool It even saved the company from going under in the late 80s. The Monkees products alone does the company good. They still are a SMALL LABEL. dont let that WEA stuff fool ya..they get a better distribtion then ever before, but they are no way close to being big like SONY, Capitol, or BMG.
Chris
From: Stacey
Yah, that'd be neat! But if I was Nez I might get a bit annoyed every now and then with the constant pressure of being a Monkee again, you know? I thouroughly enjoyed that "half baked" tv special!! That was actually when I first got into the Monkees. My sister had watched the show in the 80s and was always trying to get me into them.Unfortunately, they didn't air the show again for quite sometime, so that tv special was my first Monkees experience! :D Just a bit of my own "nostalgia"....:)
From:
The monkees will be performing in the afternoon in Buffalo then do the Trumps show at night and then leave for VA.
From: Mark T.
How interesting, Stacey. To see that the '97 TV Special converted some people is pleasing to hear!
From: Ashley
Mike kindof had the idea though, because of the movie "Stagecoach" with John Wayne. If you have ever seen the movie, John Wayne wears shirts very similer(sp) to the ones the Monkees wore. I read somewhere that Mike thought thoes were nice looking shirts, and had Gene Ashman design shirts like in that movie.
Ashley
From: Mark T.
OH Cory how you speak the truth! The older I get the more cynical I get...and I'm only 28. Yikes.
Isn't it something else to read Micky's characterization of Fishof in his autobiography, not to mention the things David has said about him through the years since the late '80s? WOW!!! Whew. Well, money talks and bullshit walks. And the money must have been damn good this time around!
Fishof handled the '86 and '87 tours OK...I think the biggest thing going for the Monkees during those years was the fact that it was so new and fresh again. It had been so many odd years since the Monkees were even together. Then there was MTV airing the TV show and the new video for "That Was Then, This Is Now", and well, you know all the rest.
I will credit Fishof for seeing an opportune thing. Perhaps if it wasn't for him getting the idea to put the Monkees back on the road in 1985, we would never have seen a 20th Anniversary revival. However, many of his practices are faulty and questionable to say the least. How could he have flubbed the invite by MTV for the Monkees to sing at the '87 MTV SuperBowl Party special?? AHHHHHHHH! That was the beginning of the end of the '80s revival, wouldn't you say?
From: Estrella
Mark wrote: <<It's my wish that the Monkees, with or without Mike, would sit down and seriously record a new album and release it nationally, even if it is on Rhino. I'm more relegated now to the thought that it doesn't look like that it's going to happen. I'm also less concerned with the commerical success of a proposed new album.>>
Maybe it's premature to say this, but on Fox News Live, Davy mentioned that they plan to go back into the recording studio around September or October after the summer tour to record an album (?) and it should be released by Christmas. He mentioned no other detail about recording except he has some hope that maybe they will record the next (another hit song like) "Daydream Believer".
From: Mark T.
To all of those who have attended a Monkees concert this summer, please give us the venue you were at and what attendance was like! I have not seen one post yet about how full the venues are this summer and even though it's early, I'd like to see what kinda numbers are turning out!
Let's hear from y'all.
From: **Ashley**
Yeah that's what I heard. Like Mike had the concept for the Monkees to wear them and Gene dude made/designed them.
From: Julianna Michelle
Dan, you are my hero man! Here, here! (I like your point about it not being a Holocaust Memorial Board! ;o) I couldn't agree more!) Yay, the Monkee family is reunited! ;o) God is love!
From: just-ice
how bizarre that they just ignored the monkees like that. o well. just goes to show what kind of people are fans of natural :) (no offense to anybody reading this. if you're at this board you can't be all bad)
From: Julianna Michelle
Dan, you are my hero man! Here, here! (I like your point about it not being a Holocaust Memorial Board! ;o) I couldn't agree more!) Yay, the Monkee family is reunited! ;o) God is love!
From: Kris
I am looking for a copy of the 1996 TV show Hey Hey It's The Monkees. It was an acutal episode filmed in 1996 and was on network television. Can anyone help me????
From: Julianna-Michelle
I agree, great Idea Dan!
My AIM: pandamichelle1 (I think my Yahoo! IM is the same, not too sure....)
E-mail: panda_michelle@yahoo.com
(It's summer time, keep me busy!)
From: Kris
I am looking for a copy of the 1996 TV show Hey Hey It's The Monkees. It was an acutal episode filmed in 1996 and was on network television. Can anyone help me????
From: Julianna Michelle
I don't know if they'll pull anything together this August. Personally I wouldn't blame them if they didn't. There's a lot of retired bands who don't have reunions and they and their fans get on just fine. It also seems like Mike is mighty busy lately, what with the move to Monterey and all. That would be great if they did though. Radio Music City Hall would be grand. I suppose we'll see.
From: Kris
I went to the concert. It was great. We got there around 6pm to grab a bite to eat. FYI.. If you eat at the House of Blues - save your receipt - we got priority entrance for the concert. It was standing room only - and we were right at the stage. It was a great show! Micky and Peter came around after the encore and I was able to shake their hands! Not sure why Davy opted to stay aside. Too bad! They played for over 2 hours and sounded great! Best concert I was ever at!
The only down side was that there was no Meet and Greet after the show. I had brought some items and hoped to get some autographs. Next time...
From: concerned person
You are in to big of hurry to grow up. Instead of drooling over someone closer to your age, you are drooling over someone almost 3 times your age.
From: Deborah in Clearwater
I have been trying to buy tickets for that show since they went on sale through the internet and can't get through!! Will be in town that week and wanted to go while we where there. Deborah p.s. can you give me any advice on how to get tickets I live in Florida
From: Chris Coyle
I hold no high hopes for anything this Fall. You never know though, if they do dates on the West Coast maybe they can sync something up.
I doubt Nez will join...
Yeah I'm just waiting any day now to start hearing the sour grapes about the tour, Fishof and each other. If not by August, after the UK dates..it never fails..
Chris
From:
You said Peter and Micky came to shake hands where was Davy? If you would have gone to their buses you could have seen all of them there. Sometimes they sign things there.
From: Monkeescott
Hey Mark! Did I read it right? are you gonna be at the Knoxville concert??? We have to get together, I am gonna be there with my sons! I think our tickets are in the row "p". I will be the old man with a salt pepper beard and a black monkee 2001 concert shirt with the logo on front...Please look for me ok???????????Scott
From: Chris Coyle
Kris,
Hey Hey We're (or it's) The Monkees was a documentary produced for Disney in 1996 that was broadcasted that summer. You can find this for sale through Rhino at www.rhino.com
If you're talking about the ABC special, It has yet to see the light of day as far as an official release. But many VCR's rolled that night.... :)
Chris
From: Monkeescott
Yes i am gonna be at the Knoxville concert! I got this concert as a birthday gift from my sons. This will be my 3rd one this year!!! I can't wait. I think we will be in row "P" I will be wearing a black cowboy hat and a black Monkee 2001 concert shirt with the logo on the front. Hope to see you there!!!!!Scott
From: suzannetigger
so true rocker. It seem each generation after the 60's has it's own little fling with their own special brand of music then ultimately fall back on that great timeless music of the 60's.
From: Mark T.
Hey Scott! No, sorry, I won't be at the Knoxville concert. I'm nowhere near the vicinity! :)
But have a great time. Very cool that your sons stepped up to the plate and got you tickets!
From: suzannetigger
well if tickets are selling that fast then thats a good sign that the tour is really catching fire I would think
From: Mandi
Sure, i'd like to chat with more of you. Here are my IDs:
emails: mikmicdavpet20@yahoo.com mikmicdavpet20@hotmail.com
I'm on MSN Messenger (just put in my email address and it'll add you)
I'm on Yahoo! Messenger (mikmicdavpet20)
I'm also on AIM Messenger (mikmicdavpet20)
i also chat at the following places:
VH1 Monkees Messageboard (also mikmicdavpet20)
Videoranch3D (nezhead1981)
Monkeeland at ezboard.com
I'll chat with anyone who wants to discuss the Monkees, serious or silly
later y'all
Mandi
From:
From: Dan Lafferty
:)
Thanx. I thought it was a good way to make my point.
From: suzannetigger
I was watching a where are they now special on vh1 last eve on child stars and there was a blip about Brandon Cruz (courship of Eddie's father) who has turned into a Punk rocker and he was talking about a recording he did in the mid 90's with Micky Dolenz. they even played some of it and I definately recognized Micky's voice. Can anyone tell me the name of the record and the labels it's out on? I'm not a fan of Punk rock but I'd like a copy of that recording if I could get one.
From: Dan Lafferty
:)
Thanx. I thought it was a good way to make my point.
From:
Oh, actually, we're sitting on the lawn. Me and my friend decided to opt for mostly lawn tix this summer so that we could go to a lot of concerts.
From: Mandi
I was at the Rockford concert on June 20th.
The venue wasn't sold out, i know that for sure, because there was an entire section behind me that was empty. And i was on the main floor so i couldn't see the balcony seats, but i think it was 3/4 full.
later
Mandi
From: Dan Lafferty
Hey all,
Just curious, since the June 29th show in Sterling Heights, Michigan is my first Monkees show....how long are the concerts typically?
Dan
From: Mandi
I was at the Rockford concert on June 20th.
The venue wasn't sold out, i know that for sure, because there was an entire section behind me that was empty. And i was on the main floor so i couldn't see the balcony seats, but i think it was 3/4 full.
later
Mandi
From: Dan Lafferty
Hey all,
Just curious, since the June 29th show in Sterling Heights, Michigan is my first Monkees show....how long are the concerts typically?
Dan
From: Hunter
I was wondering how many ladies have had the privilage of kissing one of the Monkees and which one they liked the best.
From: Dan Lafferty
Hey all,
Just curious, since the June 29th show in Sterling Heights, Michigan is my first Monkees show....how long are the concerts typically?
Dan
From: davy
I do know they are living together. I too have heard they are married but I don't know whether that's true. They got together when Mike was 45 and she was 19, so you younger girls have a better shot than the older ones...
Peace- DHMF
From: Dan Lafferty
I swear I only hit "Post" once for my "Concert Lengths" message. Not three times.
From: Stacey
Well, I do actually drool over people 'closer to my age'. Like, well, the 1967 versions of Mike, Peter, Micky, Davy, Paul, John, George and Ringo. Wasn't 67 a great year for both groups?? Indeed, I think it was! I don't really think that thinking someone three times my age is "trying to grow up too fast" though. I mean, I appreciate your concern for my well being :o) but I really don't think there is any reason to be worried. At least I'm not a typical closed minded teen who thinks anyone over 35 is older than dirt. :) //O|O\\ */:-)
From: **Ashley**
The one in Merrillville that I went to in March was about 3 hours long... 45 mins. of Natural (they were actually pretty good) and then 2 hrs. and 15 mins. of Monkees. That was my first Monkee concert and it was the best day of my life... moved up from the last row to the stage and Peter's and Micky's germs (Davy had laryngitis) and when I screamed "I LOVE YOU!" to Micky he smiled at me. =) Cya there.
From: Stacey
Well, in real life I've not had the privelage. Dreams yes, but real life, no. But I have hugged Peter if that's worth anything! :):):)
From: **Ashley**
Email mitchnozka@juno.com He will tape up to 6 hrs. of Monkees on one tape... just ask him for the list of all the movies, shows, and commercials. I got Hey Hey It's The Monkees (the Monkees eppy of the 90s) and Hey Hey We're The Monkees (The Disney documentary - don't you think the titles should be switched?) He has all the eppies and I think he mentioned Bealtes movies too. Peace n Gleeb
From: davyhitmefirst
Lemme tell ya a little story about serious vs. silly.
Last September, a girl on another board - I think she was 15 - kept carrying on about how cute Peter was/is. One day she asked what the song "Can You Dig It?" means. I told her it was from the Tao and she asked "What's a Tao?" and I went into an explanation of what the Tao Te Ching is and who the Taoists are.
I realized I hadn't read the Tao in 30 years so I got my copy out and reread it. That started me on an extensive study of Taoist literature and got me started on a bunch of spiritual and lifestyle changes which have made a huge positive difference in my life.
The point of this is - sometimes silly things develop into meaningful questions that have a huge impact on the person answering them and end up having very little to do with the Mkees, but mean something in our real lives. This is a community, and the act of interracting with others of a common interest is important, no matter what shape that interraction takes. I have no clue whether Peter is still into the study of Eastern spirituality or not, but his past interest turned out to be a big catalyst for change for me, and was facilitated, by someone who, up to that time, had been making what would probably be deemed "silly" posts.
All is not what it initially seems. Wait - something deeper may come out of it.
Peace- DHMF
From: Dan Lafferty
Hey Ashley,
Very cool. Any negative things to say about the show? I'm really looking forward to it. I've never seen them and a couple of months ago a Monkees mood just hit me. On a whim I did a Ticketmaster search for them to see if they were coming to Michigan, and not only did a show pop up, but...Sterling Heights?!??!??!??!?! That's right in my neighborhood, practically!!! I've been doing a lot of prepping for the show. Listening to lots of music. I can't get enough of the show lately either. I'm going up north for two weeks Saturday and I'm taking lots of episodes and Head with me to watch a lot!!!
'Bye for now!
Dan
From: Julianna Michelle
I enjoyed your story throughoughly. I don't think anyone thought about it that way; I didn't. But wow, I think "davyhitmefirst" has taught a powerful lesson and I am a better person having heard it! (Honestly I think that's great!) God is love... Julianna
From: Dan Lafferty
Perhaps....but that doesn't really qualify as "Jumping the Shark". Just 'cause a show goes downhill (and I'm not sure I agree that it did during the second season), this doesn't mean it Jumped the Shark. You know, like, The Facts of Life Jumped the Shark when they opened the store. But it sucked long before that!!!!!! On the other hand...some shows that Jump can still be good afterward. Lots of people will say that WKRP in Cincinnati jumped when they did the episode about the death trampling at the Who concert. But it was still a consistently great show after that. Same thing with The Simpsons and the "Who Shot Mr. Burns?" episode.
In truth....The Monkees was just too silly to qualify as having ever Jumped the Shark. It would be like saying that Get a Life or Gilligan's Island did. It's not like they ever did a "very special episode". Well...they did do a Christmas show, didn't they? Maybe that would qualify....was that first or second season? Oh, forget it. They never jumped.
That is...the show never jumped. As a band...well...Pool It! springs to mind.
Dan
From: Julianna-Michelle
I too have hugged Peter. I'm sorry to say I pulled away first because I didn't want to impose. But he did pull me to him and hold me rather enforcingly. That was nice. Um...I kind of sort of know a girl who kissed Micky on the cheek and he told her , "Thank you! That's always nice!" And she kissed him about 4 times so she obvisouly liked it. And Stacey's sister was kissed BY Micky...on the cheek...well actually right in front of her ear. But we have established that Micky likes kisses! I haven't heard anything from David on that department.
From: Rocker
I like a lot of them. But one of my all time favorites has got to be the one where the mad scientist puts the Monkees minds into the brain of a monster. That was hilarious! Remember the part where the phone rings in the middle of the experiment and the scientist answers and says to the caller "No I'm not interested in bossa nova lessons!" I couldn't stop laughing at that one! Does anyone else have a favorite?
From: Julianna Michelle
That's great! I would really love to know who this "concerned person" is! :o) I mean, it's not like we haven't talked over about it is statutory and all that, and I'm sure we would never really do anything with them. But seeing Peter in person only strengthened my thought that, for a 59 year old, he has a very nice body, and great features (including he's a genuine people-person). It's not like we haven't had boyfriends our same age before, in fact I just broke up with mine a while back, but that doesn't change the fact that Peter, Paul, and George have aged perfectly. And you know, if someone does something that you adore or have a passion for (like music), it does highten how you see them. I mean, I didn't even know who Tadg Galleran was until I saw him in concert with Shoe Suede Blues, but I developed a sort of crush on him because he played harmonica, keyboard, and sang like he had such a passion for it, and he was so good at it! Anyroad, have fun with that, eh! ;o)
From: Rob McCabe
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me that the Monkees are the only thing that is keeping Rhino in business.
Rob
From: Linda R.
Mark honey, I'm sorry I've offended you so intensly! I never meant to make your life that much worse. I am merely saying that you can be a bit hostile and defensive and it is a bit trying on others. Just try to be patient with everyone else and try not to make personal attacks. Just enjoy being the fan you are and let everyone else as well. I'm glad you have goals you've reached and are quite busy, but some people simply don't have the time and they should not be accused of anything that you can't prove with tangible evidence. I didn't say you should be more involved, I said you should get involved with your very own message board. I know perfectly well that you post very often, and I'm sure most people appreciate your input. I do enjoy reading your messages, just not when you loose your temper, or degrade others. I'm so glad to hear everyone's positive attitudes and I agree that we should all just try to make amends, or a truce, and enjoy. Girls will be girls, and girls will talk about how fit Peter's butt is, and we'll just have to take it in stride! Mark, I wish you all the best in life, sugar! Ashley, I'm not sure. I wasn't aware there were two different individuals. One of them is just a teen, 15 I think. So I suppose I can speak on behave of both of you if you're both teens. What do you think? Every one take care! Linda R.
From: Steph
Don't worry Dan! It has happened to all of us at least once (emphasis on 'at least') ~~Steph
From: just-ice
dont count on anything in august. i heard davy will be in england then and besides, shoe suede blues has dates to play at some fairs in washington in august...
From: Mark T.
I prefer second season episodes like "The Devil and Peter Tork" or "The Frodis Caper" or even "A Nice Place to Visit"...there's something about that episode I have always liked. Those are the ones that come to mind first, I haven't watched any of the episodes on video probably since 1990!
From: Julianna Michelle
Wow Linda! I think that's so neat that your grandbabies first song was "For Pete's Sake!" I'll have to try and remember that for my own children! The first song I heard this year was "Don't Let me Down", one of my favorite Beatle songs, at least I remember that, eh! My name's not really Julianna. (But I think that's so great that you named your daughter that! Rock on.) I just love it because it's Julian (Lennon), Julia (Lennon), and Anna (my friend in Germany) all in one, and I love it because of Mike's song (even though I've never heard it!) I'm really Amanda-Michelle. ;o) God is love!
From: Rob McCabe
Even though it is a sensalionalist POS, (IMO :o) never underestimate the power of VH1's Behind the Music. Poison of all bands, have found a semi-respectable second wind of turing popularity.
From: Julianna Michelle
It's true, it's true. I find the best way to defend your points, is by quoting something the Monkees themselves said; works like a charm! Yeah, I kind of starting wondering if you were a girl when you said you adored Micky. I guess I was right! I love the word "adore"! I'm not sure why. And comming from me it's a great honor because I can love someone and not adore them, but if I adore them then I love them too. I only adore a handful of people. Anyroad, take care!
From: Rob McCabe
Even though it is a sensalionalist POS, (IMO :o) never underestimate the power of VH1's Behind the Music. Poison of all bands, have found a semi-respectable second wind of turing popularity.
From: Julianna Michelle
Wow I hope you guys have fun at your concert! Ashley, I think since you've held back, that you deserve some input, and you shouldn't regret it because I am also proud of you! And I agree with you, so hey, you're not alone, babe! And I would just like to say that I love the Fuzzy Italian! You haven't posted too much, but every single thing you've said hit me hard and true! And about you answering to only two people, yourself and God, I think that's wonderful! That's how life should be! I think we're dopplegangers, babe! (or however you spell that...) Well considering I'm 22 years younger than you I suppose that can't be all true... Take care. God is love!
From: Rob McCabe
Having also listened to B & H's records, I think I could pick them out. Tommy's voice could be a bit nasal and he didn't have the range that Micky had. Bobby's voice is deeper and raspier (a la Righteous Brother Bill Medley). If you listen to oldies radio, you might be famliar with B & H's only Top Ten hit single as recording artists, "I Wonder What She's Doing Tonight", sung by Tommy.
Personally, I was never really a fan of Tommy's voice and found it odd that he once said that "Peter Tork couldn't sing", but people's mileage probably varies.
From: Julianna Michelle
Yes! I love Victoria now! Ha, take that! (Wow....so I bet they're having fun....) Thanks "davy"!
From: Rob McCabe
Mijacogeo aka "the Frodis Caper", the last, which I am watching right now (yes, we own the video box set).
"Hey look, what a great looking cardboard box!!!!"
From: Julianna Michelle
Has anyone ever actually seen Michael play the lead guitar part on Valleri? I mean, because in the show they weren't really playing anyway, and I don't think Mike played it on the recording. (Or did he?) I have no doubt that he can. I've always been so intrigued because it's so fast. At the concert, I watched the fingers of the man who was playing it rather than the Monkees themselves! Things like this are why I took up the guitar in the first place, not necessarily the actual sound, but the movement. Like the scene in Help! where john plays "You've Got to Hide your Love Away". Is anyone else intrigued by this?
From: Jennie
I'm afraid I don't have the kind of patience it would require to get through to people like that. I just nodded, smiled, and turned away. :)
From:
From: Tammy
That is what i think is called a bootleg copy, not the official one they are selling at the concerts. By the way, does anyone know when that cd was recorded?
From: suzannetigger
Man I hate when I hit the enter button by mistake and it posts before I'm finished! I see it's going to take me forever to catch up on all of these posts from the last week. I'll let you know mark about the Bryce Jordan Center attendance
From: suzyque
Thanx--I reread and feel better.
From: Chris Coyle
Julianna,
Nope Mike didn't play the lead guitar part on Valleri, the guitarist was Louie Shelton.
Mike can play a pretty mean guitar, check out Regional Girl on Justus.
Mike was very concerned about lip syncing on the show. He always made sure he was playing the right chords, or even if his guitar was plugged in. See musicians pick up on that stuff right away. Being a musician myself, I have to say the notes Mike is playing on Valleri is very close, if not the right notes for that solo. Mike did a good job of getting the parts down before he had to fake them. In fact , I think all four did a good job at that.
Good question :)
Chris
From: Dan Lafferty
Thanx, Steph. I know it happened to me recently somewhere...I couldn't remember if it was this board or somewhere else. At least I know I won't be tarred and feathered and driven out of town by everyone here.
Dan
From: Chris Coyle
I'm not seeing the show until the 10th but someone on AMM said the Live CD might be close to selling out. Could people also say if the CD and program was for sale at the show. I hate nasty rumours!!
Thanks
Chris
From: Dan Lafferty
My fave is "Monkees Marooned". There are so many great lines and images in that one. But just the very premise is brilliant. When I tell people that there was actually an episode in which Peter trades his guitar for a treasure map, it's enough to get them laughing out loud. I also love the scene where Micky gets real melodramatic, saying "Oh no! It's the same rock! Which means we've been wandering in circles!" And Davy tells him to relax, it's just a small set and they have to re-use rocks. I mean....the wandering in circles on an island thing is just the sort of plot twist you'd expect on that show. So for them to actually make fun of it is beautiful.
From: Mark T.
I think Wayne Avers does a great job doing the "Valleri" guitar solo live in concert. Out of all the backup guitarists the Monkees have had since '86, he's been the best in my opinion.
From: Mary P.
I love "Some Like it Lukewarm" where David plays a girl.. Still makes me laugh out loud! "Now I know what all the noise was at our house..it was me three sisters learning to walk!" DJ...
From: Mark T.
I think Wayne Avers does a great job doing the "Valleri" guitar solo live in concert. Out of all the backup guitarists the Monkees have had since '86, he's been the best in my opinion.
From: Mary P
Thanks for that list.. I wasn't aware of all of them. I love all of those songs.. except.. I'm just not crazy about many of them.. David's or otherwise.. on JUSTUS. I do like Circle Sky..but then it's an original Monkees tune. I particularly love The French Song.. always have since the first time I heard it in the late 60's..so beautiful...
From: monkeedoodle
I went to the Burlington, IA show (Steamboat Days) on June 17 and it rocked!!
The VIP section sold out the day of the concert, and then there were tons of people outside the VIP section with their lawn chairs and some just standing. We had front row!! and then rushed right up to the stage, so we had front row standing too...LOL!!
Peace,
'manda
From: Deb S.
I have a few but one in particular is Some Like It Lukewarm....when the girls score a 98.6 on the meter and Dave says..."sounds perfectly normal to me!"...gotta giggle at that one!!!
From: monkeedoodle
Hi! There were CD's and Tour books still at the June 17th show in Burlington, IA.
I really like the CD!
Peace,
'Manda
From: Christi
It is now 3:14am and I just walked in the door after seeing the 3Kees in Fort Wayne. First off, it was shocking to see the small theatre that they were playing in, but after you get inside, it does grow a little. Natural started the show with a few different songs than they sang in March and some of the same songs. I think it was a typcally older audience because the response to them wasn't like it has been. Anywhoo, after preparing the stage for our men, the Monkees portio of the show began. They did the "walk" out and started with Last Train. The show ran a lot like the spring show with a few changes. Much of the same jokes were told and a few songs were changed. This time Davy sang I wanna Be Free. That is the one I really wanted to hear last time. He also sang "Consider Yourself" from Oliver as his solo performance. He was very energetic while doing this song. When the guys sat down on their stools, they started talking about how Take a Giant Step is on the B side of their first 45. Then Davy said except for in Hawaii-because there are no railroads there. So Micky sang a version called Take the Last Boat to Maui. That is about all I am gonna tell about the show so I don't ruin the show for anyone else. There was one part that I am proud of....When Micky was introducing Peter H Torkelson and the Bach selection, I kept yelling out " Puff Bach Daddy!!" Micky looked puzzled and said, "Oh, You were there then??" Oops, I think I ruined his joke. Alright, I will do a separate post about meeting the guys since this one is 30 pages long.
Gleeb! Christi
From: monkeedoodle
Hi! There were CD's and Tour books still at the June 17th show in Burlington, IA.
I really like the CD!
Peace,
'Manda
From: Christi
I have row 4. Look for the Blue Dork Stick. It works every time!!
From: Chris Coyle
Thanks Monkeedoodle!!!
Chris
From: Christi
I just got back from the Fort Wayne Indiana show which I talked about in my last post. I did forget to mention that Micky did not do Purple Haze or his little boy and dad story to go with it.
David and Sandy did not do their All in the Family skit either.
Since I hd been to a show in March, I knew when the guys were going to be leaving and coming back. So after they got done with the first bows, my freind and I ran up to the stage! WOW! We were right at the stage!! The guys came back and sang (lemme look at my set list that I took off the stage) I'm a Believer, Steppin Stone and PVS. These guys really love their fans. They constantly made eye contact and Davy reached to the audience a lot. Basically, everytime they walked by and were in reach, we all touched, groped, hit, whatever. At one point Peter even stepped on my hand cause some other girl was rubbing his leg. Well, they ended the show by running down the row of everyone standing at the stage and then left. That is when I jumped on stage to get the set list. (Mickys)
Afterwards, we went to the back door and on teh way there, the guys from Natural were walking by. They are very good to the fans. They all stopped and posed for everyone and signed autographs. Then came the time to wait on the 3-Kees. There were about 30 people waiting. After a cop said tehy all went to the hotel already, a few people left. As time wore ont he crowd became 10. David (Keyboards) and Sandy (Drums) walked out and talked with us. David talked quite a bit. My friend and I had met 2 other people and we all stayed in a little group away from everyone else. There was a security guard talking with us that kept hinting that he didn't know if they were there or not. After waiting an hour, we were leaving. He yelled to us and whispered that Davy was still inside. Only us 4 knew!! Then David came over and said "Davys on his way out" so they were both sharing the secret with us and no one else. Well, then Davy cam eout and kindly signed and posed for us. He asked us out names and talked a little. All this time, the other people had no idea that he was even outside. He was VERY nice and I can't wait to meet him again.
"But if I could live that night again, it would be the same...."
execpt that on the way home I hit a deer in my brand new car!!! But I talked with Davy so it kept me from completely losing it. LOL
From: concerned person
And you are how old! If these men were not famous you would not give them the time of day.
From: Christi
The Fort wayne show which started at 8pm lasted about 3 hours. It is well worth it! I am hoping the weather is good in Sterling Heights so the show can last as long. I am keeping my fingers crossed!
Christi
From: Mark J. Meli
Hi gang! I've been coming to this site for 3 years and this (stop laughing) is the first time I've found this forum. There's a new CD???? We're not talking about the "Music Box" right? What is on the new CD???? I heard a concert disc was to come out, but then the idea got cancelled. Any help?
From: **Ashley**
The Fairy Tale... we got Mike in drag... Davy in drag... and Micky in drag. I love how cute Davy looks when he says "I'm going to see my grandmotha in the fooorest." (When he said 'fooorest' he closes his eyes.) Oh and "CUZ I'M A MEAN LITTLE GIRL!" and "Ooh defending my honor isn't that grooooooovy? A buncha long haired weirdos and some vicious people." I love Mike... it's his fave eppy too. =)
From: cory
Mike certainly does an excellant job of fingering that solo in the series' video of the early version. One of my disappointments with my bootleg video of the Birmingham show is that the cameraman never cuts to Mike during the "Valleri" segment of the concert! I would love to see him, however reluctantly, playing that riff (although from what Davy says, Mike would turn his back to the audience for that number)!
From: **Ashley**
I have nothing negative to say about the Merrillville show... except that Mike wasn't there. Maybe he'll be in Sterling Heights!! (A girl can dream...) Also I think that Natural was like um... too THERE for the concert. (By THERE I mean I woulda rather had all Monkees.) But they were good. When I told my friend about Natrual performing in the middle of the concert she said "Oh you know you're old when you need a break in the middle of the concert!" Then I hit her and now she's coming to Sterling Heights w/ me. (Best bday present I could ever ask for!) I can't wait... 14 days! (I've been counting down since... 75 days.)
Peace n Gleeb
From: cory
Being a longtime post-er, I feel like I could trust you with $25. IF the CD's are still available by the time your show rolls around, could you pick me up one? I believe I could comfortably get a check or money order to you by the date of the show. If you'd rather not (too much pressure/work), i take no offense - just thought I'd ask.
From: **Ashley**
I don't either but ya know... gotta let them know... my friend had to hold me back from telling off one of my subs last year cuz he said "Are they still alive?!"
From: Tyme
What the heck, I don't talk monkees enough ;)
AIM: TymeNez
E-mail: TorkyTyme@Hotmail.com
see ya'll in cyber space :)
Tyme
From: MonkeeMom@webtv.net
Hi, all Looking for other Monkees fans like myself from PA and NJ areas, but will love to get to know other fans from all over. Any cute, single monkeemen out there? :) Monkee Hugs, Kelly
From: Tyme
What the heck, I don't talk monkees enough ;)
AIM: TymeNez
E-mail: TorkyTyme@Hotmail.com
see ya'll in cyber space :)
Tyme
From: Andrea
Hey Dan, ya better watch out. That Steph can turn on ya pretty quick. She's got a pitchfork and she's not afraid to use it! Just make sure you don't post anything bad about Peter and have it post like 3 or 4 times...you could wind up getting hurt :( snicker, snicker - hehehehehehe Smiles to Steph!!! ~Andrea
From: Mark T.
Mark, it's a live CD recorded in Vegas in March of this year.
Check way down on the discussion board for the track listing. It's currently only available at the concerts.
From: Ree
"Monkee and the Machine", when Peter is being interviewed by the computer at the Toy Factory. It's a laugh riot when the computer twists Peter's interview up. Typical for the "Peter" character. Mike hears how bad Peter's interview went, so he goes to be interviewed, out wits the computer and gets the job. The other part of this episode that is very funny is when Peter, Davy and Micky each dress up as "mothers" and "sons". Love it - nobby knees and all! Micky makes a nice looking "MOM".
If you haven't seen this episode in a while or if it's you first time, this is a great one.
The other episode that really makes me laugh is Fairy Tales - Mike as the Princess, Peter, the Knight is Shining Armor, Micky as Goldie Locks, and Davy as Lil Red Riding Hood.
Ree
From: Mark J. Meli
Mark - Thanks...I found the posts!! I thought all plans for a new CD were scrapped!! I'm glad it came out, but I missed their concert back in April...will it be available online??? Micky's web or Davy's web site??
From: Andrea -
Welcome Davy Gurl! Glad to see you on the board. Your mom's a doll! She posts here a lot :) A suggestion when you write to The Monkees (or any celebrity, actually) send your note in a brightly colored envelope - oversized if possible. This will help you stand out from the crowd. And The Monkees (especially Davy) are known to read their fan mail themselves, and they try to send something in return. But since they're on tour, you may have to wait a while to hear back from them. Micky's Personal Assistant, Judy, is a very sweet person. She may send you a note acknowledging receipt. Keep on Monkeeing around! Monkeeluv, Andrea www.fanstuffonline.com/monkeestock2001.html
From: Mark T.
Hey, another Mark on the board! :)
Mark, I presume that eventually the live CD will be made available through somebody's website. After the '96 and '97 tours there was a website called Monkees Mailbag, and it sold any remaining tour merchandise, including the reissued '86 live album. We'll see what happens.
Or, you could see if anyone on the board would be willing to pick it up for you.
From: john
I think the KC show went from 8:15 to 11:15 including the opening by Natural. But I wasn't checking my watch.
From: Ree
Hi Scott!
NEXT FRIDAY IS THE BIG DAY! LUCKY GUY!
No one has contributed to the "Send Ree to Knoxville Fund" as of yet. Still hoping.
Anyway, did you get your Live CD of the tour? How is it? Please E-mail me at mrehkamp@fuse.net.
From: Joanne C.
I love all the episodes. I think each one is unique. I do love the Fairy Tale episode. I also love the episode (please forgive me as I don't remember the title) where they are in Mexico. I love it when Micky says "badges, we don't need no stinkin badges".
From: Stacey
You think so, huh? Ok, well I've met men that old that I thought were good looking or nice or whatever just as much as Peter or Paul, or even Tadg for that matter. So...it's not like I'm all "ooh, Peter's rich and famous- he's sexy!" I'm more like "Peter is such a brillian musician!!- he's sexy!" And I HAVE in fact met other men that were much older than me that I found very very attractive. Not to say I hit on them or anything!! But I did indeed admire from afar.
From: Andrea
Ok, I'll bite. What's a Blue Dork Stick look like? I'm in New Jersey, so you know I won't be at that show...do ya have a picture of it? :) Andrea
From: Stacey
You think so, huh? Ok, well I've met men that old that I thought were good looking or nice or whatever just as much as Peter or Paul, or even Tadg for that matter. So...it's not like I'm all "ooh, Peter's rich and famous- he's sexy!" I'm more like "Peter is such a brilliant musician!!- he's sexy!" And I HAVE in fact met other men that were much older than me that I found very very attractive. Not to say I hit on them or anything!! But I did indeed admire from afar.
From: Andrea
I love 'em all...my current fave is Monkees Watch Their Feet. That's the one where Micky is abducted and replaced with an alien who looks like him, and claims "my feet aren't backward - yours are". I love it how the alien Micky gets all upset that they answer the phone and he says they're tearing the head off a kitty cat. And then he's trying to get a date with the fridge!!! That's one of the ones Mike wasn't in, but it still has a good feel to it. But I love the Mexico eppy too, Joanne. It's called A Nice Place to Visit and it's the first eppy from season 2. Bottom line is, I just love the show. I never get tired of watching! And I say every eppy that comes on is my fave :) TTFN, Andrea
From: Stacey
You think so, huh? Ok, well I've met men that old that I thought were good looking or nice or whatever just as much as Peter or Paul, or even Tadg for that matter. So...it's not like I'm all "ooh, Peter's rich and famous- he's sexy!" I'm more like "Peter is such a brilliant musician!!- he's sexy!" And I HAVE in fact met other men that were much older than me that I found very very attractive. Not to say I hit on them or anything!! But I did indeed admire from afar.
From: Andrea - Monkeestock Boston in 1 month!!!
To anyone who's not 100% sure of what a mullet is...go to www.mullet.com and you'll see all kinds of 'em. It's a hysterical site! ~Andrea
From: Estrella
Trying to post this again, ten minutes after the first try when the screen said "Web is busy".
Part of the idea (to include re-recordings of "Valleri", "Steppin' Stone" and "Daydream Believer" w/ Natural on back-up vocals) for a live CD was scrapped. Last time I heard, Perlman's TransContinental label has those re-recordings, but wants to wait for a better distribution deal (???).
So in short, the live CD sans the re-recordings came to be "Live in Las Vegas" (what a lot of people are talking about when they currently say "live CD"). Hope this clears somethings up.
From: Mark T.
Tammy, the Live CD you saw on Ebay is a bootleg.
The one being sold at the shows is legit and was recorded at the MGM Grand in Vegas this past spring.
From: Steph
Hey all! I came across this interview with Davy and it has some really interesting insights. I don't know if anyone has seen it yet, but check it out :)
http://www.kcstar.com/item/pages/printer.pat,fyi/3accbb48.607,.html
~~Steph
From: Ree
Hi Scott:
I'm on vacation this week and just catching up with the Board. Hope you are enjoying your Summer.
You don't know how bad I would like to go to Knoxville! So close - you are about 2 hours away, aren't you. Are you going? If you are, please let me know how it was.
I think if I show up and see the guys again, (you know how coincidental that is in {Cincinnati, Columbus & Lexington}) we may be on first name basis soon! HA HA
With all they heavy rain storms we have been having, I need to repair some structual damage to my house before we fall off the hill into the Ohio River. Personally, I would like to attend the Monkees Concert to escape, but the family has a thing about having a roof over their head to keep the rain off.
Talk to you later!
Ree
From: Mary
Cory,
A Monkee hug to you for your post. We are anonymous here except for our name but it does sting when you feel critized. I just want you to know that when I see your name posted it spikes my interest because you always have something interesting and intelligent to say. So thanks for hanging on and being part of this board! Mary
From: Dan Lafferty
Yikes! Thanks for the heads-up. But, hey! How could I say anything bad about Pete? "I Don't Think You Know Me" and "Your Auntie Grizelda" are two of my all-time favorites, and the episodes of the show about him were always the best!!!!!!! But Mike's still my fave.
From: Mary
Stacey,
When my sister was 17 (which was a long time ago) she was in love with Humphrey Bogart and not only was he reallt old he was also dead! They may be older but they are still good-looking. You go-girl! Mary
From: Teresa in Texas
Congratulations to Tyme, who has won contest #2. Actually, Deborah in Florida answered all the questions correctly, but as she already has all the Monkees videos, asked me to give it to the 2nd place person. Here are the answers to the questions:
1. What is the name of the only episode in which Davy did not appear (except in the song at the end)?
"Alias Micky Dolenz"
2. In "Monkees in Manhattan," the Monkees pose as millionaires in order to enter a country club. Mike is "a rancher from South Texas." What is the name of his "ranch?"
Houston
Matching In "One Man Shy," Peter falls in love with a debutante. Her jealous boyfriend tries to trip Peter up by challenging him to rich man's sports. However, the other 3 Monkees take Peter's place to help him save face. Match the Monkee with the sport he attempted:
3. Mike c. Archery 4. Micky a. Badminton 5. Davy b. Skeet Shooting
More Matching In "Monkees Get Out More Dirt," the Monkees fall in love with April, the laundromat owner. To impress her, each of them takes up one of her favorite hobbies. Match the Monkee with April's hobby:
6. Davy c. Art 7. Peter d. Music 8. Mike a. Motorcycle Riding 9. Micky b. Dancing
10. In "Dance Monkee Dance," which Monkee is the ONLY one who did NOT sign a lifetime contract with the dance studio?
Davy.
I've got another video I'm considering putting in a contest. I'll let you know the details later! Thanks again for the fun!!
From: Mary
Read some other post and it clicked a memory I wanted to share....... When I went to the hospital four years ago to have my daughter I brought my favorite Monkee CDs to play in the labor room to keep me calm. I listened to them all day in the labor room and was determined to pay attention to which one was playing at the time the baby was delivered. The doctors that kept coming in throughout the day were quite impressed (!) that I was listening to the Monkees, something they could enjoy as well, I guess. Anyway to my great regret and after three hours of pushing at some point the music got turned off and my daughter wasn't born with the Monkees playing in the background. But throughout that LONG day the music had the same effect on me that it always does. It kept me calm and made me smile!
Mary
From: Dan Lafferty
Ummm...How do you count 14 days, Ashley? Today is the 14th and the show isn't until the 29th. Doesn't that make 16 days?
From: Ree
May 27, 2001 Applebee's Ball Park, Lexington, Kentucky - approximately 3,400 - 3,500 in attendance.
From: Teresa in Texas
Yeah, if any of you remember Billy Ray Cyrus and his hit song "Achy Breaky Heart" (ugh)--he had a really famous mullet back in the late '80s.
From: Ree
E-Mail me. mrehkamp@fuse.net
From: Teresa in Texas
"Monkee vs. Machine" is my all-time favorite, too. So very witty, both the parts with Peter and Mike talking to the computer. I think this was Peter's favorite episode, too. Stan Freberg was a riot in this one. It also has the GREAT video of "Saturday's Child."
From: Ree
Hi Marirose. . . Welcome!
From: Jennie
Lol! People can be so insensitive! I'll set anyone straight if they make negative comments about the Monkees (except for modern-day teenyboppers, they can't be converted as easily).
From: Steph
Thanks for the input cory & Chris! I may be turning to a Nezhead after all :) I went to the video store (ok, three of them) looking to rent some movies for the fam and in the last one I went to I came across ...Elephant Parts!! I was so psyched. I have been looking in video stores whenever I stop in to look for HEAD and Elephant Parts. I already have HEAD, but I determined that whatever rental place carried a copy would become my new favorite store. They had a pretty big "cult" section with some other cool movies. They also had a copy of EP for sale (it was a former rental not in the best shape and they wanted $29.95 for it- so I think I'll get it from Nez himself).
Ok, so the point is... that now I get to watch EP and TP(when it gets here)! Anyway - thanks guys for the input and help :)
~Steph
From: Christi
LOL! The Blue Dork stick is none other than a blu glo stick. It gets the guys' attention every time-especially when you are the only one in the theater with one. Not for sure how effective it will be outside in Michigan though. That is what a Blue Dork Stick is. hehee
Gleeb! Christi
From: Ree
Hi Step,
Thanks for sending the interview. I have enjoyed reading it. Was this interview a radio interview or an article?
It would be nice to see more reviews that may have been printed in the local papers or transcribed interviews from the Monkees from the cities they have performed at so far on the tour. Stuff like this kinda brings the Tour alittle bit closer (like a letter sent home letting you know how things went, if you know what I mean).
Thanks again Steph! Ree
From: Dan Lafferty
Hi Kelly,
I'm not in PN or NJ, I'm in Michigan. But I've been a Monkees fan my whole life. Great to meet you!
Dan
From: just-ice
i was at the april 3rd concert in vegas. it was a super small theater, but there probably weren't even like 10 seats empty from what i can remember.
From: Jennie
I don't think I have a 'favorite' but there is one episode that I would probably never get sick of watching, "Art for Monkees Sake". I don't know why, but that episode just gets me.
From: Karen
Does anyone know whether David will be doing any shows/appearances when he's in England this August?
From:
The one that i bought was recorded in Vegas too. I was there for one of the shows so i was just wondering which one it was recorded at. Gleeb, Tammy
From:
Stacey, have a news bulletin Peter is not rich! Comfortable, but not rich.
From: mikell
I drew a picture of Davy and he showed it to the audience. Then at the end he did stay back for a few but he came to me and grabbed my hand right off. He gave that great smile and made my night! I'll say that was good enough for me!!
From: Steph
It was from the Kansas City Star newspaper. I agree with ya Ree that more local interviews and stories transcribed would be great. I would love to hear some "behind the scenes" stories from the guys - We could see if they really are getting along or if they're sick of each other yet.
~~Steph
From: Kathy
Great show! It was special for me because my daughter drew a picture of Davy. Not only did he seriously look at it, and show it to the audience, but when it came time for the handshakes, he went to her FIRST!! I was thrilled for her ... wish I could have been as close as she was.
From: Forever Young At Heart
I read that interview and its nice to know that Davy still appreciates us older fans that were the so called groupies that they never got in the late 60's. We still go to the concerts and many of us still look good and still love our guys especially Davy. He still does it for me and I am proud to say he knows me and vice-versa. I cannot wait to see him again very soon.
From: Kathy
Special concert for me! My daughter drew a picture of Davy. Not only did he seriously look at it and show the audience, but when it came time for handshakes, he went to her to shake her hand FIRST!!! I was so thrilled for her! It is GREAT to have your daughter LOVE the Monkees like you do!!
From: Sutton4943@aol.com
The Sterling Heights show was awesome, I love the new venue, and the show was great, I even caught one of the drumsticks Sandy threw out at the end of the show. I bought both the new cd and the new tour book. The venue was pretty packed, I only seen one section in the very back that had empty seats, it rained during Natural's opening act, and since the venue has no covering we all got wet, It stopped when Natural left the stage, the setlist was basically the same no accoustic set, all of the Monkees were really into the show, security was really strict fighting with fans all night, finally at the end a woman was able to jump on stage, each time security gave fans a hard time the Monkees came over and acknowleged the fan, Davy even jumped into the crowd, I would love to see other reviews of the Freedom Hill show.
From: Christi
I, like others, like em all. I think Fairy Tale is high on the list.
From: Anthony
For those who have not yet seen my Monkees site at http://www.monkeesrule43.homestead.com/monkeesrule43.html All the pages are complete and I've got some pretty nifty stuff on it.
From: adf
Could you give me more information on the "maybe" summer album that they plan to record later? THANKS
From: Jim
YEAH...GREAT SHOW...BUT THE SECURITY WENT WAY OVERBOARD...THESE NAZIS WERE PUSHING AND SHOVING FANS ALL NIGHT LONG...ONE IDIOT (WHITE GUY IN A BLACK T-SHIRT) WAS GRABBING FAN'S CAMERAS ALL NIGHT...THIS IDIOT REALLY ENJOYED IT...HE WAS RUNNING ALL OVER THE STANDS...FOAMING AT THE MOUTH!!! I WAS WAITING FOR HIM TO RUSH PAST ME... SO I COULD TRIP HIM...BUT THAT WOULD HAVE INTERFERRED WITH MY RECORDING!!! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM AN ANTI-UNION, POLICE-STATE CITY LIKE STERLING HEIGHTS? LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO THE (LEGALLY) STRIKING DETROIT NEWS WORKERS!!! I REFUSE TO DO ANY BUSINESS IN THAT CITY...THIS WAS A RARE EXCEPTION!!!
From: Mark T.
A word to the wise....the Monkees have been known to talk things up really big but then nothing ever comes from it. If it is indeed true that they are going to be doing an album after the tour, they would have to do it very quickly since they are going to Europe in October to tour. We'll see.
From: Stacey
Oh, I don't know Peter's financial status!! I was just using the "rich and famous" statement to make my point. Actually, I really don't know any of the Monkees' (or Beatles, except Paul since he's like a billionare now and it was on the news) financial stutuses, but it's not really important to me. Thanks for correcting my mistake though. :) Or should I say, thanks for "Writing wrongs"....hahahaha, I crack my self up...oh sorry. ;)
From: judy
Hi Kathy! I was there and saw that picture-it was fantastic! We all wondered who had drawn it. Way to go for your daughter! Wasn't that the best time at that concert??!!!!
From: suzannetigger
Chris I'll be glad to let ou know about sales of the CD I'll even ask someone if they are close to selling out Sue
From: judy
Hi all, Just got home from my trip to Chicago to see them at the HOB. What a FUN "Monkee party singalong concert"!!!That's what it was like! There were the Monkees, totally having fun with the audience who were all singing our hearts out and having a BLAST! I was in the first couple rows of standing people..probably no more than 4 ft. from the stage. I met some wonderful new pals there- Hi to Mary Ellen & Denise, and Mary and Betty!! The concert was LONG..the only thing they left out of their usual set list (from Spring) was Davy's Oliver stuff..and that's okay. He added "Love You Forever" and they still sang "Shades of Grey" contrary to what I'd heard. Micky was absolutely on fire! I've never seen him so animated and obviously happy...he acted like he's just fallen in love or something! Davy seemed a little preoccupied...actually interacted with the audience less than Micky and Peter...highly unusual, but still ever the great showman. It was the best fun I've had in ages! The audience was SO into it..it was like it was 1967 again, and the guys obviously had a blast, too. That was one I'll never forget!
From: Mark J. (the one without a last name)
Mark M.: Don't feel bad, man. It was a while before I discovered the message board here, too.
(I haven't posted in about a week, and all of a sudden I see another "Mark J." here... Confused me at first!)
Apples, Peaches, Bananas, and Pears,
MARK J.
From: Andrea - Monkeestock Boston in 1 month!!!
Hi MonkeeMom! Well, I'm not a cute available Monkeeman, but I do live in NJ. Are you going to any of the shows in the area this summer? Maybe I'll see ya.
So, tell us about yourself. Who's your fave Monkee? Mine's Davy, but I can't resist Micky's irresistable charm and craziness and great sense of humor :) Peter and Mike are 2 of the greatest and most underrated musicians ever.
Hope to see some more posts from you soon. ~Andrea www.fanstuffonline.com/monkeestock2001.html
From: suzannetigger
ooooooo I love that song! As a Matter of fact I'm gonna go put that CD in right now.
From: judy
Have to say my favorite is "The Devil and Peter Tork", although I love them all!! But I can't take my eyes off of that one when it's on. I also really like the one where they spend the whole show getting chased by girls in Paris..I've always said..."If I were chasing the Monkees, I'D be catching them!!"
From: Rita
Attractive is attractive, no matter what someone's age is, and Davy is still very attractive! But even if he weren't, I'd still love him and the rest of the guys. The Monkees will always hold a special place in my heart...and that's why I kissed Davy (on the cheek!)....and I'm sure the non-female posters on this board would be glad to shake their hands, for the same reason!
From: Steph
Don't worry Dan, the pitchfork is only used in defense of Peter :)
*grins and winks at Andrea* ~~Steph
http://www.fanstuffonline.com/monkeestock2001.html
From: suzannetigger
Wow what an awful week. Got home from a 2 day minivacation to Gettysburg ( My Husband and I are Civil War Buffs) to no power in my home took the Electrition til Wednesday to fix that then my phone went dead and I never got that fixed til Saturday so boo hoo no computer and no time at work to go online unless I went to work at 5 A.M.!Yuck! so I'm reading all the posts and having a real hard time #1 because they are all screwy and #2 because every time a new add comes up or somebody elses posts something the screen rolls back up to the top again and I have to slowly scroll down to find where I left off. Any way back to the Monkee discussion which is after all what this board is about. Driving home from Gettysburg I'm daydreaming, listening to my Monkee tapes in the car and thinking I wonder what some of the old Monkee songs would be like put to a new modern music video. I would love to see something like Pleasant Valley Sunday set to a video. Any one else ever think along these lines or am I the only nut in the Cracker Jack Box?
From: Steph - (Defender of All Things Tork)
Welcome to the board MonkeeMom! We're a great bunch MonkeeBabes and MonkeeMen to hang out with :) My fav Monkee is Peter, but I love them all. (I am the Defender of All Things Tork)
*big smiles* ~~Steph
http://www.fanstuffonline.com/monkeestock2001.html
From: Mark J.
COOL! My very first post was repeated at the bottom of your message!
Anyway, YEAH -- It seems that when we reply now, we actually have to REWRITE the SUBJECT in the box. Otherwise, we get unrelated things like, "Kansas City Review," "WHAT SONGS DID DAVID JONES WRITE?," and (the ever-popular) "Mullets" as our message SUBJECT. Very strange!
Apples, Peaches, Bananas, and Pears,
Mark J.
From: judy
Hi Kris! I have it and I got it from amazon.com. I think it was around $15, maybe a little more. It's really interesting! Check them out for it! Judy
From: suzannetigger
Hi Stacy I have been reading your posts about how you feel about the Monkees and remembering what it was like back in 1967 when I was so in love with Davy I used to cry because I knew I would never even get a chance to meet him. The guys seem to continue to envoke that strong feeling of attraction in girls even to this day which I'm sure they must find flattering. I must say that now in my 40's I certainly don't look at them as the sex gods I thought they were back in the 60's but I still love their music and enjoy being a fan. I have a 13 year old daughter who fancies herself in love with Davy now and reminds me so much of myself at that age it scares me. I don't think it's odd or unusual that you have these feeling for these "older men" I think it's the music and the good feelings that comes from hearing them and seeing them that makes them still attractive to younger girls. Rock On Darlin and I hope you enjoy the guys for a long time to come
Sue
From: Andrea - Monkeestock Boston in 1 month!!!
Whew! I'm so glad to have that mystery solved :) Cheers to you, Christi!
:) Andrea
From: suzannetigger
Hi Wayne glad to see you posting again. We will be anxiously waiting to hear your repots on how well the Monkees do over there. The concert I'm goint to in PA tommorrow is also a large venue it it is the home of the Nittenay Lions (PA State College) an seats up to 16,000 people. I don't know if they'll have the whole arena opened up or not but look for my post on the 2nd and I tell ya all about it.
Sue
From: Steph
I love Fairy Tale! The part at the end where the guys make Peter ask Mike to marry him (even though he doesn't want to anymore) and Mike takes off the wig and says he's already married cracks me up!
I also love "Hitting the High Seas" - especially the part with Peter and Micky doing that little piece from "Tear the Top.." Even though Mike is missing. There are some boo-boos at the end of that episode with the car on the dock when the guys are talking to that captain dude.
From: Mark J.
In other words:
With all this weird stuff occurring in the board, whenever we post a REPLY, just be sure and HIGHLIGHT the "Subject" box and REWRITE the intended Subject! This will at least prevent those OLD Subject Titles from appearing on the Board itself!
Thanks.
Apples, Peaches, Bananas, and Pears,
Mark J.
From: Steph
Wow! Cool story! That guard is sooo cool! I'm sorry you hit Bambi with your new car though. How's the car?
From: Mark J.
The Nez/Zappa bit Rocked! (No pun intended.) For me, it was "Help I'm A Rock" & "Return of the Son of Monster Magnet" off of "Freak Out!" that got me into the Mothers...
From: Andrea - Fan convention in just 1 month!!!
Steph, you kill me! I think you just came up with the name of your page on the Monkeestock website! Any takers for Mickey or Michael?
Monkeeluv, Andrea www.fanstuffonline.com/monkeestock2001.html
From: Dan Lafferty
Hey Suzanne,
Funny you should mention the possibility of a PVS video, 'cause for years I've had a vision for one. It would be in large based on the song itself. Starting with the opening guitar riff, the camera would pan very quickly along a suburban '50s-style street, and as the singing comes in, it would lift up off the ground and then focus on individual houses. In the part about Mr. Green, I had the idea that first we'd go through each room and see all his TVs and finally get to the last room and find him sitting bored, staring at the wall.
But I have another vision for this video, and that would come and go, throughtout the course of it. It involves a big plain white moving van (a REALLY big one!) pulling up onto the street, implying more SAME people are moving in. But during the video, first one person would walk up to the van and just splash some paint on it, then a little later, someone else would join him and splash a different color on. By the end of the video it would be a large group of people splashing all different colors of paint on this moving van.
I've had that idea since I was in high school, and this is the first I've ever shared it with anyone!!!
From: Andrea - Fan convention in just 1 month!!!
Steph, you kill me! I think you just came up with the name of your page on the Monkeestock website! Any takers for Micky or Michael?
Monkeeluv, Andrea www.fanstuffonline.com/monkeestock2001.html
From: Steph
Welcome back suzannetigger :) I think PVS would be awesome in a new video. I'm going out on a kind of artsy tangent, but it would be cool to see an ultra "suburbia" type setting with "rows of houses that are all the same" and have the rows of identical hubbys come out to go to work, and their identical wives (in full Leave It To Beaver garb - pearls and all) wave them goodbye from the porch. If they really wanted to bring out the seriousness, they could intersperse scenes of rows of identical bbq's with shots of the mid-east or something. I don't know if that would fly in the "real world" but that's my tired brain's addled attempt. Maybe if the song was covered by another group? (please don't burn me on that one)
I watched the Heart & Soul video today, and I think the videos on that were creative (I've always dug the Heart & Soul music vid). They really do work well together - they have undeniable stage presence and chemistry. I think that could really work in a new video. Realistically, I don't know what older song would work among today's stuff. I'd love to see (and hear) new songs recorded by them, and what they'd do in terms of music videos. Maybe *shudder* they'll use the alleged recordings with Natural. I'm still hoping they release video footage of the tour.
~Steph
From: judy
Hi guys, The Chicago HOB concert (granted, small venue) was PACKED! ....and packed with the most enthusiastic Monkees fans I've ever had the privilege to be around! I can't imagine what that has to do for their egos to have a whole packed concert hall screaming and throwing panties again!! :)
From: Julianna Michelle
I never really wondered what a song like PVS would be like if it were put to a modern music video. Probably because all the videos today are either bright, peppy, "cool" color videos or dark and murky. I think the Rainbow room is the best backdrop for a simple, yet extremely entertaining music video. (Especially later in the 2nd season because Mike kept making those goofy faces and cracking me up!) And also because if you watch the movie they made for TV in '96 or whenever it was, they have music videos for "Regional Girl", "Circle Sky", "You and I", etc. I really don't like the one for Circle Sky though because the "snowy" TV's reminded me too much of the 80's for some reason. And the 80's bring back painful childhood memories for me because besides Michael Jackson actually being black (and a boy), a few movies, and a few other perks the 80's are a time period to put far, far, FAR behind us! ;o)
From: Steph
That's scary Andrea! I was thinking the same thing! We are so meant to be Monkee Buddies!
{{hugs}} & smiles ~~steph
From: Miss Blue Dork Stick
So I'm sure everyone that went to the Sterling Heights show noticed, security was WAAAAAAAAAAY overboard. What was up with that? I had a seat on the aisle and 2 rows down, smack in the middle of the aisle, was a huge security guard(the only one with a bullet proof vest on) that didn't move the entire night-well, til the end- and kept watching me. No cameras were allowed. They checked bags and everything when entering and if they found a camera, you had to take it back to the car. It pays to hide them well. BUT, if they caught you taking a pic, the would run over people just to take the camera away. So with Goliath standing and watching me, I only snuck in one picture. At the 3 other shows I have been to this year, the security guards could care less. At the end of the show, where the guys stroll around teh edge of the stage shaking hands, they still fought to keep people back. I don't know how many times I was grabbed and pushed back. A lady yelled at one of them and said "They are shaking hands and want us up there." The guard yelled back "I DON"T CARE WHAT THEY ARE DOING!" We all tackled tehm and got to the stage anyway. It was terrible. Then they were yelling that we all had to keep moving and get out of the place. What Jerks! ANYWHOO...................................
the show started with Natural. They really need to find someone to run the sound. The last 2 shows, the music has terribly overpowered them. They got cut short when a major downpour came. It really showed the true fans. Quite a few people sat and took it. How cool! Then after the rain quit, it took a while to get everything set back up on stage. the band came out and only played snippits of 3 songs. Then the guys came out. There was quite a bit that got cut out of the show. No unplugged set, didn't do Shades of Gray, and there were a few others that didnt' make it. It was upsetting, but otherwise a good show. A few people made it up to the stage, with security guards tugging on them of course, but the guys played along. At one point, Davy jumped down and danced with one of them before heading out into the crowd. Otherwise, Nothing really new, things cut out, jokes cut out, but a great show nonetheless. And unless I hit the lottery, it was my last this year. 3 previous shows have me broke!! LOL.
Peace Gleeb and Blue DOrk Sticks Christi
PS, I had my blue dork stick. It was bigger then the average stick since I knew others would ahve them. hehee
From: **Ashley**
I loooooooooooooooooooooove Mike! =)
From: Ashley
I'll be gone for a week vacation. I didn't have time to write a concert review, but I will when I get back. Can't wait to see the posts when I get back!(but I think I'm going to reply to what Christi just wrote because I know exactly what she's talking about!)
Ashley
From: Christi
$1600 damage. But insurance is gonna take care of it. Still in a good mood about the show though!!
GLEEB!
From: Ashley
I'll be gone for a week vacation. I didn't have time to write a concert review, but I will when I get back. Can't wait to see the posts when I get back!(but I think I'm going to reply to what Christi just wrote because I know exactly what she's talking about!)
Ashley
From: **Ashley**
Cuz... 29-14=15... but I don't count today so... 14 days!
From: Dan Lafferty
I paid off that security guard to keep an eye on you, Christi. I thought you were going to come after me with your stick. And I just had to promise Goliath a dozen Crisy Creme donuts and he said he'd do it.
Funny thing happened to me on the lawn. We met Psycho Lady. She was VERY certain that, as she said in a crazed lunatic voice, "That is NOT them on stage! That is not them. I can tell! That is NOT Davy Jones and that is NOT Micky Dolenz. That's NOT them." She came back and apologized later when she realized she was wrong, but I think maybe she just realized we were terribly frightened of her.
I also was disappointed at the lack of "Shades of Gray" and also "Take A Giant Step". Oh well.
Still fun.
From: **Ashley**
Yep I'm with you.
From: Ashley
OH MY GOSH, I KNOW! Thoes security guards were crazy! I sat during Natural and the down pour. Right when Natural was going off stage, I took a picture. WELL, needless to say I got my camera taken away. All night there was I security guard right at our our row. My mom and I were going to run to the stage, but of course we couldn't. You could even tell the Monkees were like"What the heck are these sercurity guards problem!"LOL At the end we ran to the stage and I touched Peter's hand twice and Micky's once.I didn't see Davy anywhere. We tryed to sneek into the meet and greet but couldn't. But we did go to the other side of the fence and WATCHED the meet and greet, which was kindof neat. But of corse the security guards came and kicked us out. Then we went home. Concert was great(except for the security guards!) , the guys seemed to have fun. I was upset because Shades of Gray was cut out though. I wish I could have met some of the people from this board! I don't know if anybody saw me or not. I tryed to look for the Dork Sticks, but didn't see anything!
Well, I guess that WAS my concert review.LOL
Ashley
From: Christi
Last night, Micky did hold out LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNDD! and sounded terriffic! So what if he can't hold a note at one show or the other. I try t enjoy the fact that he can still sing.
Gleeb and Peace!
From: Christi
Where did you sit? I was in section 200 row D. And row D was just great! I was worried that it would suck.
Peace Gleeb and Blue Dork Sticks Christi
From: Sutton4943@aol.com
I'm glad to see all of the posts about the sterling heights show, I can't wait it will be my 3rd monkee concert, the last time I saw them was in 1997 at pine knob. Just two weeks away.
From: Christi
I was at the June 29th Show in MI and there were still books and CD'S. I love the CD and the book is your basic tour book. But it is a keeper!
Peace Gleeb and Blue Dork Sticks Christi
From: Tyme
Fairy Tale all the way. I can reciet the hole thing. I think that Mike looks sexy in that one ;) and Peter, what a cutie. "I'm gonna miss her when she's gone." "I played Gretel..very, what's the word?" "I think Gretel is the word." hehe
Tyme
From: Miss Blue Dork Stick
I GOT MICKY'S TOWEL!!!!!!!!!
Peace Gleeb and Blue Dork Sticks Christi
From: **Ashley**
Alright here's a little spelling lesson...
Micky is George Michael Dolenz. Mickey is a mouse.
Davy is David Thomas Jones. I have no idea who Davey is.
Alright now that we're all on the same page, don't let me catch you talking about Mickey Mouse or Davey. =)
Peace n Gleeb
From: suzannetigger
thanks for your awsome replies. My mind pictures are very similar to both of yours. I still think it would be cool. I don't know if I could tolerate another band doing that song but who knows? I actually heard Smash Mouth's I'm a Believer for the first time the other day and it's not bad... not bad at all.
From: **Ashley**
I'm with you on reciting the whole eppy... I can with the whole fave eppies tape! LoL
From: suzannetigger
Good Morning Everyone! It's gonna be a great Day! Monkees Tonight Oh boy Oh Boy. We areleaving in a few hours to get there and see if we can't spot the Monkees perhaps roaming about the University or something. Actually it's a 3 1/2 hour ride from here. I Understand that State College is not far from Davy's home in Beaver Town I wonder if they spent the night there last night? well don't worry I'll tell you all about it when I get home tommorrow! Ta Ta!
